2021/22 Jordan Pickford

[Parker]

The will in here of some people for one of our own players to do badly just for some Internet points is comfortably the saddest and most pathetic thing on this forum.

Also, anyone who moans about his kicking has been absolutely spoilt by the fact he is so good at kicking. If you had Nick Pope and his size 14 Caterpillars toeying it aimlessly forward every game then you'd recognise the difference.

 

[Parker]

Hes a bang average prem goalie in a squad of bang average Championship players

Pretty succinctly put to be fair.

 

[Death]

He's boss

 

[Shibbywiggles]

The will in here of some people for one of our own players to do badly just for some Internet points is comfortably the saddest and most pathetic thing on this forum.

Also, anyone who moans about his kicking has been absolutely spoilt by the fact he is so good at kicking. If you had Nick Pope and his size 14 Caterpillars toeying it aimlessly forward every game then you'd recognise the difference.

It’s one of the strangest things on the forum that. I absolute hate Michael Keane as a football but I praised him massively for his performance against Newcastle because he was great in that game. Took no joy in him resuming his crapness against Palace because when Everton players are crap, I am never happy.

 

[Parker]

It’s one of the strangest things on the forum that. I absolute hate Michael Keane as a football but I praised him massively for his performance against Newcastle because he was great in that game. Took no joy in him resuming his crapness against Palace because when Everton players are crap, I am never happy.

It's proper mad, he's been comfortably our most consistent performer for the last 12 months and people are just lying in wait to pounce on any possible error to jump on him.

Absolutely no one is saying he's Lev Yashin, but he is comfortably good enough for where we are as a club.

 

[Zatara]

How would you define good?

Thats like asking an elephant how long its trunk is.

 

[gazzaa2]

Our biggest issue with him imo... makes the already nervous defenders more nervous which makes pickford more nervous and round and round we go

I thought he did improve there last season to some degree, in what was a more defensive minded side under Carlo as the season went on. Start of last season we played attacking and he was making loads of mistakes. Southgate's England also very defensive minded and defend deep.

Would we concede so many set piece goals with a commanding goalkeeper? Plus if you want to defend high you need a keeper who can come out and sweep up better and also play out from the back.

I'd expect he's one Lampard would look to replace personally for those reasons. He excels in defensive teams where he can concentrate on his shot stopping and struggles in expansive ones where he's expected to do more.

 

[Houghty19]

Not saying this fella is the greatest keeper but lets be realistic we are where we are because of other reasons not Pickford. We've got a limited budget next season (assuming we stay up) and there's lots of other areas in this team that need replacements before him.

 

[TheBigIguana]

It's proper mad, he's been comfortably our most consistent performer for the last 12 months and people are just lying in wait to pounce on any possible error to jump on him.

Absolutely no one is saying he's Lev Yashin, but he is comfortably good enough for where we are as a club.

If you've not noticed we've been horrific at football for the last 12 months so being our most consistent player does not mean he's actually good at football.

And yeah he's good enough to play keeper for that shower that is out there right now but again that isn't the standard we're aspiring to (I don't think) so does it actually matter? We need to look to improve the team, all areas of the team, and my guess is we'll settle for his average at best for a long while yet. I find it frustrating.

It doesn't discount the rest of the crap, but we don't pretend the rest is any good.

 

[TheBigIguana]

Not saying this fella is the greatest keeper but lets be realistic we are where we are because of other reasons not Pickford. We've got a limited budget next season (assuming we stay up) and there's lots of other areas in this team that need replacements before him.

Keeper is also the cheapest position to find improvements.

 

[Houghty19]

Keeper is also the cheapest position to find improvements.

Really? So you think we should chuck what £20m at a new keeper rather than some actual defenders?? Don't forget whether you or i agree Pickford is England's number 1 has played in the last major international tournament keeping a ridiculous number of clean sheets. As I'm suggesting in my earlier post perhaps our problems lie elsewhere in the team rather the keepers position and they should be prioritised before any money is chucked at another keeper.

 

[Parker]

If you've not noticed we've been horrific at football for the last 12 months so being our most consistent player does not mean he's actually good at football.

And yeah he's good enough to play keeper for that shower that is out there right now but again that isn't the standard we're aspiring to (I don't think) so does it actually matter? We need to look to improve the team, all areas of the team, and my guess is we'll settle for his average at best for a long while yet. I find it frustrating.

It doesn't discount the rest of the crap, but we don't pretend the rest is any good.

So because the team as a whole has been crap we can't acknowledge that the best performer in that team still gets more crap than pretty much anyone who isn't Michael Keane just because he shouts a bit?

The whole erratic argument is based on his performances way in the past, he's been solid this year.

He has his weaknesses but he is comfortably a midtable/Europa League quality keeper.

And also, just about your point in another post about keepers being the cheapest position to improve. I can't agree.

There is a bottleneck of top quality goalkeepers that's why Liverpool paid 70m for a top one, why Chelsea risked 70m on one. Obviously you can uncover a cheap gem, like Edouard Mendy, but for the most part you pay a premium for quality in every position.

I'm more than happy to hear valid criticisms of Pickford but most people don't give valid criticisms.

 

[TheBigIguana]

So because the team as a whole has been crap we can't acknowledge that the best performer in that team still gets more crap than pretty much anyone who isn't Michael Keane just because he shouts a bit?

The whole erratic argument is based on his performances way in the past, he's been solid this year.

He has his weaknesses but he is comfortably a midtable/Europa League quality keeper.

And also, just about your point in another post about keepers being the cheapest position to improve. I can't agree.

There is a bottleneck of top quality goalkeepers that's why Liverpool paid 70m for a top one, why Chelsea risked 70m on one. Obviously you can uncover a cheap gem, like Edouard Mendy, but for the most part you pay a premium for quality in every position.

I'm more than happy to hear valid criticisms of Pickford but most people don't give valid criticisms.

He's not been solid this year.

The best keeper in the world (I don't agree but people voted and he won) was cheap but others weren't so you can't find cheap quality is essentially what you've written there.

 

[TheBigIguana]

Really? So you think we should chuck what £20m at a new keeper rather than some actual defenders?? Don't forget whether you or i agree Pickford is England's number 1 has played in the last major international tournament keeping a ridiculous number of clean sheets. As I'm suggesting in my earlier post perhaps our problems lie elsewhere in the team rather the keepers position and they should be prioritised before any money is chucked at another keeper.

No I think we can find competent goalkeeping at much less. And maybe sell Pickford at the same time for more than we'd be paying for a similar level replacement. Which is very helpful because we need every dollar for the rest of the team and Pickford has shown he's not good enough to move the needle for us.

 

[Parker]

He's not been solid this year.

The best keeper in the world (I don't agree but people voted and he won) was cheap but others weren't so you can't find cheap quality is essentially what you've written there.

He has though. Just because the defence in front of him surrenders about 4 clear chances a game isn't down to him. When he plays behind a semi competent defence with England he concedes less goals.

And I'm saying you get what you pay for in many respects. Laughable in our case I know. But in the broad sense, top goalkeepers who have no clear weaknesses are just about as rare as any position in the 11. To find a goalkeeper as well rounded as Alisson for example is nearly impossible. And Liverpool paid handsomely for that privilege.