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EFC78 said:
You say we weren't good enough yet once again we were put at a disadvantage like so often in these fixtures against the likes of Man United. The penalty wasn't a penalty and therefore, if you deduct that goal from them, the score is 1-1. Add to that Smalling should have been off for a blatant second bookable offence (unless they have changed the rules on that like they have with the straight reds when a penalty is awarded) and so we may have even won the game.

Sounds like you're too easily accepting of us being disadvantaged by these incompetent and biased referees. It's amazing to think that some of our own fans are that easily trusting that in a multi-billion pound game that referees wouldn't favour the clubs that provide the most money to the league and who are the biggest brands. It's an obvious way for them to behave, human nature really, but it is everyone else's job to point it out and do their best to not allow it.

Silva and Moshiri should not allow this to carry on without at least having their say to the FA, publicly as well.
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Excellent post.
 
EFC78 said:
You say we weren't good enough yet once again we were put at a disadvantage like so often in these fixtures against the likes of Man United. The penalty wasn't a penalty and therefore, if you deduct that goal from them, the score is 1-1. Add to that Smalling should have been off for a blatant second bookable offence (unless they have changed the rules on that like they have with the straight reds when a penalty is awarded) and so we may have even won the game.

Sounds like you're too easily accepting of us being disadvantaged by these incompetent and biased referees. It's amazing to think that some of our own fans are that easily trusting that in a multi-billion pound game that referees wouldn't favour the clubs that provide the most money to the league and who are the biggest brands. It's an obvious way for them to behave, human nature really, but it is everyone else's job to point it out and do their best to not allow it.

Silva and Moshiri should not allow this to carry on without at least having their say to the FA, publicly as well.
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It's not as though the Big Six can't cope without the big help from the refs. We see similar bias in all sports sadly- how the ref allows dubious things to pass him by in Boxing or the umpire in cricket. - there are mistakes and then there's turning a blind eye.which is what we had on Sunday. and yet the big guns still have enough to (usually) win anyway. How refreshing it would be to see the likes of Kompany RIGHTLY red carded in the first minute - and if missed then VARd. I just don't buy into the "evens out" notion. I want to watch a sporting event where the result is fair and proper (and maybe luck does come into it so we can accept bad luck not bad refs) not where the ref lets all the big calls go the way of the bigger sides.
 
EFC78 said:
Sounds like you're too easily accepting of us being disadvantaged by these incompetent and biased referees. It's amazing to think that some of our own fans are that easily trusting that in a multi-billion pound game that referees wouldn't favour the clubs that provide the most money to the league and who are the biggest brands.
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Forgotten Leicester already, eh?

If you play well enough as a unit, the chances of a ref influencing the game (intentionally or not) is significantly diminished.

Gana trying to make a tackle in the box was the mistake...he's a pro and they all cheat to gain advantage in one form or another so he should know better than to commit from behind in the area as his own body has a chance to block the refs view.

We weren't good enough, which sucks as United weren't exactly lighting us up either.

And be sure to let me know the next time we see an 18-page thread dealing exclusively with a bad decision, in a match we win...I'll be waiting.
 
EverBlue92 said:
Still no strong response from Everton.

Joke club.
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Whose job is it? I hate this - little decisions like that stupid Niasse one last year, when a new rule was tried out on him , but countless others over the years go against us, and there's never a strong response. With Rooney on the pitch last year, I thought that was one big thing he brought, but apart from that, can't we have Coleman, Walcott, Keane and Pickford speak up for us? Who does it off the pitch - Brands?
 
Gwladys St. Glory said:
Forgotten Leicester already, eh?

If you play well enough as a unit, the chances of a ref influencing the game (intentionally or not) is significantly diminished.

Gana trying to make a tackle in the box was the mistake...he's a pro and they all cheat to gain advantage in one form or another so he should know better than to commit from behind in the area as his own body has a chance to block the refs view.

We weren't good enough, which sucks as United weren't exactly lighting us up either.

And be sure to let me know the next time we see an 18-page thread dealing exclusively with a bad decision, in a match we win...I'll be waiting.
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We were "good enough" for a 1-1 draw, if Moss didn't gift them a penalty they didn't deserve. That win has moved them ahead of us in the table so it was a key decision which has significantly affected the position of both sides in the table. With the extra help they get throughout the season, being one of the favoured clubs, and the lack of help we will get, it makes our task in finishing ahead of them that much harder.

You mention Leicester, and it's a good point in highlighting just how well they did that season they won the league. We clearly aren't anywhere near the level of that side in quality over a season or in our ability to overcome the hurdle of inequality created by the FA and incompetent biased referees. But the hurdle shouldn't be there in the first place, and that is what we are all complaining about. If we accept it, then nothing will change. None of us can do anything about it, but the club can, by creating a huge display of public dis-satisfaction to the FA and prove how we have been unfairly treated in one of these matches yet again.
 
EFC78 said:
This is another thing that just gets brushed under the carpet too. There is a mentality from a lot of pundits in other scenarios where the game might have ended 3-1 to just say "well they got beat anyway so...". But they ignore that goals at specific times can have a huge influence on how teams approach the rest of the match. That Man City Burnley game may have ended 5-0 to City, but Kompany could have gone in the first 5 minutes and at 1-0, City then scored a goal where the ball had gone out. 2 key decisions at crucial moments went against Burnley because it was a "big side" at home.

United had quite a few clear cut chances because we had to go after the equaliser. Rashford had one, Lukaku, Martial all in the 2nd half when we were far more open than we would have been had the scoreline been what is should have.
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the only time i have known this to not happen was when City abolished the tricky Reds 5-0 and Mane got sent off when they were 1-0 down.

It was common knowledge Liverpool would of come back to win 4-1 if it wasent for that red card!

In all honestly, im feeling very demorilised with football at the moment and none of it is down to everton, we are looking really good!

Referee's, pundits & media obsesion with a certain amount of teams/managers/players and the need to brush everyone else under the carpet is really getting to me!

How many bad decisions did we get against us last season? I cant think of that many? Was that because we didnt seem like a threat?

I would like to say we have been unbelievibly unlucky this season, and its not things like own goals, or opposition scoring flukes etc! Its 80% down to refereeing and the perception that is in the media after the games, is that because its not one of the big teams that are already instated and not one of the glamour managers no one cares.

From Jon Moss, to Jamie Carragher, to Danny Murphy, to Dermot Gallagher, to Jim White, to the sunday supplement, to the friggin Debate to Phil Neville to his absolute melt of a brother Gary! I hate it all. It is all set up for no one else to suceeed
 
ToffeeTim said:
Seems to have been stood down this weekend.

We've got some bloke on Saturday who's never reffed in the top flight before....
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Makes the whole thing even more of a joke, if they have stepped him down that suggests they know he made the wrong call, so why isn't martial being banned like niasse was?

telling you the whole thing is corrupt, and why everton are bringing this up I don't know, if it was one of the big boys getting hard done by they'd be straight in the media about it where everyone listens not being cowards and letting us get bummed by the FA
 
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