Joleon Lescott

Sell Lescott?

  • Yes, for £18m to £20m - with all money being given to Moyes to spend

    Votes: 116 45.0%
  • No way - we must keep him at the club.

    Votes: 142 55.0%

  • Total voters
    258
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Wheres the Ambition mate?

We have no money mate. You claim that your way is "ambition", and selling isn't. But your way is the status quo, plus cheap add ons. Is that ambition?

By selling for more than he's worth (and that's all we are talking about here, based on the idea that City offer silly money for players), there is a good chance to improve the squad.

To lose Lescott would lessen the squad. No matter who we bought to replace him.

No matter who? Really? Do you believe that?
 

More Devils Advocate;

Sell Lescott for £20m

Sign Lucas Neil (as cover for Yobo and Jags), Moutinho and Mbia.

An improvement to our starting 11? While also offering more bodies for a more demanding season next year?

I dont think we should sell Lescott - but if there was one player we could cash in on, it would be him.

m'bia is a mercenary and i would never want him. I liked neil as a player till he went to west ham, he's really not too much better. if we did sell lescott, i doubt we could get both neil and moutinho alone, let alone mbia in there, and you'd also have to factor in that our wage bill would be much much higher.

plus would you trust our back 4 again if jagielka were to get injured? somehow i'm skeptical about a hibbert yobo neil baines back 4, seems awfully weak in the centre
 
More Devils Advocate;

Sell Lescott for £20m

Sign Lucas Neil (as cover for Yobo and Jags), Moutinho and Mbia.

An improvement to our starting 11? While also offering more bodies for a more demanding season next year?

I dont think we should sell Lescott - but if there was one player we could cash in on, it would be him.

I really can not for the life of me see why we cant have Moutinho, Mbia and Neil and also keep Lescott. I can not see why the club doesnt have at least £20m to spend. We spent nothing last year. Nothing in the Summer or in January.

We have just got the Sky money in to pay the wages for another year, wheres our other income gone???? Surely not ALL to pay off debts.

I do see what other people are saying, sell 1 player and buy 2-3, it does make good business sense and we do need players. Just dont see why we need to sell in order to buy.

We sold Beattie, I was glad to see the back of him, we sold McFadden, he was starting to piss me off anyway, we sold AJ, I thought it was good money, he wasnt top drawer and we had lots of strikers.

Sadly we do not have many CBs who can also play LB and score goals. And sadly Yobo is not a replacement for Lescott and lets not forget how long we will be without Jags.

What im saying is Lescott is invalueable.
 
But of course they all believe that the full £20m would go towards transfers, which it wouldn't.

And Hangeland + Moutinho would be more than £20m anyway so stop going on and on and on about it Azzbot
 

Let's take this to an extreme. Say this summer we sold Lescott (weakening at centre half) and signed Messi (improve the right wing). You'd be happy with that, yes? Even though we are weakening the backup centre half position. So, you presumaby agree that you are willing to improve one position at the expense of another in certain cases, if the incoming player is good enough.

Sure, if we sold Lescott and got money enough to buy Ronaldo, Messi, Kaka, Ferdinand & Eto´o then I'd be fine with it. If you go to extremes go the whole distance. Thinking like that is ridiculous, since it won't happen.

More realistic would be a scenario where we get £20M for Lescott, We need to splash £10-14M of that for funding the transfer of a new CD and another LB of decent enough quality to function as backups since the other teams know that we need those type of players so they will hold us out for the cash. £3-4 of what's left goes to their wages... and you have about £5M to sign a midfielder and cover his wages, not enough to buy those you want to improve our side. Where is the gain? Instead of one very good player, we get two players that's worse and that will cost more in wages.

I can understand your reasoning, I just believe we can't reason like that in our current situation.
 
Its quite fun in a way, somebody should keep a score of how many players that get linked and how many we sign. I think last Summer we where linked for over 100 players and the none of the players we signed or loaned where even linked before they signed.

Its amazing how wrong people can be. I think the rule of thumb is, if we get linked with them, they arent coming.

No need.

I kept score from last summer.

Players linked with a move to Everton: 1000+

Number that signed with us: 0

Number that signed with us that weren't linked with us: 3

(Fellaini, Castillo, Jacobsen)

It's a joke really.
 
Sure, if we sold Lescott and got money enough to buy Ronaldo, Messi, Kaka, Ferdinand & Eto´o then I'd be fine with it. If you go to extremes go the whole distance. Thinking like that is ridiculous, since it won't happen.

More realistic would be a scenario where we get £20M for Lescott, We need to splash £10-14M of that for funding the transfer of a new CD and another LB of decent enough quality to function as backups since the other teams know that we need those type of players so they will hold us out for the cash. £3-4 of what's left goes to their wages... and you have about £5M to sign a midfielder and cover his wages, not enough to buy those you want to improve our side. Where is the gain? Instead of one very good player, we get two players that's worse and that will cost more in wages.

I can understand your reasoning, I just believe we can't reason like that in our current situation.

Completely in agreement with this post
 

I'm going to play devils advocate here.

If City offered us 20-25 million for Lescott, I'd take it with a smile.

We have two class centre halves already, and as good as Lescott is he's not infallible. Carvalho wants out of Chelsea, we'd get him cheap, then we could use the money to back our bids for Moutinho/Van Der Vaart/Forlan/Glen Johnson/Lucas Neill etc.

Dont see city payin that much for lescott

Dont want carvahlo goes forward from cb too much:dodgy::unsure:
 
Sure, if we sold Lescott and got money enough to buy Ronaldo, Messi, Kaka, Ferdinand & Eto´o then I'd be fine with it. If you go to extremes go the whole distance. Thinking like that is ridiculous, since it won't happen.

Err....obviously. I think you might have missed my point.

I was refuting the point that selling Lescott was a bad thing no matter who we signed, which a couple of people had stated. I was pointing out that obviously there is a point where we would have to sell - once we all accept that, we can get on with talking about how much we'd need, rather than get stuck in the "you should never ever ever sell a good player - ever" rut.


More realistic would be a scenario where we get £20M for Lescott, We need to splash £10-14M of that for funding the transfer of a new CD and another LB of decent enough quality to function as backups

I think for £10m you'd be getting players of first team quality. £14m is what we paid for Baines, Lescott and Jagielka combined. Don't forget the current recession, which effects some teams more than others. A lot of teams are just not in a position to play hardball, and hold out for the extortionate fees you suggest. For example, the fee being talked about for M'Bia is £4m - last year they were talking £12m. Some teams are having to just accept what players are worth, not what they want.

On the other side you have teams like City and Chelsea, who are willing to pay well over market value for players they want. There's clearly an possibility of taking advantage of the conditions - profit off from the rich clubs, and spend on the poor clubs.


What is being suggested is that you have cheaper backups, in the £2m-£3m bracket, or loans (for example, Mancienne from Chelsea was rumoured wasn't he?), or Bosmans (e.g. Lucas Neill). In addition, they wouldn't be £40k a week (well Neill would be, but they'd be no transfer fee), freeing most of the Lescott money to be spent on one or two top class players (that would significantly improve the first XI)

Having said that, you might be right that £20m is too low. But it's the number that's wrong, not the concept. In my head I had a number of around £23m, which City may or may not be willing to pay.
 
M'Bia: I'll Stay If Rennes Match Everton Offer - Goal.com

he went from saying repeatedly that he wanted to play for us and that it was a great opportunity to saying that its all about money and if rennes pay the same money then he's happy to stay. mercenary if i've ever seen one

Shock, horror, a player admits that money talks....

(y)

If I was working for a company who paid me £20,000 a year - and a foreign company offered me £40,000 a year to do the exact same job - I would want to move too. I take it I am a mercenary?

He has said he would remain at Rennes - the club he has been with since 2004 - if they matched Evertons wage offer. Fair enough I say. Refreshing to see a player being honest for a chance, rather than the typical B/S about "I want to go and play in a more competitive league" etc or, the Gareth Barry excuse "I want to play in the Champions League", or Steven Gerrards "I want to win the Premier League" excuse for handing in a transfer request. Such excuses sound better than "I want more money" - doesn't it?
 
Oh but this is football, love for a club must talk, not the money that every other person on the planet lusts after :unsure:
 

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