Current Affairs Joe Biden POTUS #46

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Ghost Rider said:
Genuine question, threatening china with military opposition (effectively going to war with china), how is that any better than anything trump said?

If trump had said that people would be up in arms calling for his head and be one of the many things people attacked him for saying.

Got to have balance here, Biden threatening war with China is just as dangerous and idiotic as anything that came before him. Trump wanted to attack china financially, biden is saying physically. i know which one is the more ridiculous sounding one.

Otherwise its just political bias that boils down to turning a blind eye to something you wouldn't stand for if the person had a fake tan and a maga hat.
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"Got to have a balance here" and you insert your own ideas of what people would say in a hypothetical scenario? Honestly, what you "know" here is as unbalanced as anything you are projecting onto others (a "bias" as you claim).

Let's start fresh. Are you familiar with the Taiwan Relations Act?
 
BlueTX said:
"Got to have a balance here" and you insert your own ideas of what people would say in a hypothetical scenario? Honestly, what you "know" here is as unbalanced as anything you are projecting onto others (a "bias" as you claim).

Let's start fresh. Are you familiar with the Taiwan Relations Act?
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Insert my own ideas? About trump? So if trump offered military support against China , it would be perfectly fine? Much the same way he challenged Putin, challenged north Korea and got called the biggest threat to the world?

In fact it's been 6 years of trump this trump that over and over, not one good thing is said about trump but this would be fine? Everyone would be happy if trump said that?

If you want to act like trump wouldn't be attacked for saying that then you are bending reality , everything he ever said was scrutinised and broadcast.

As for the Taiwan relations act..

The Taiwan Relations Act does not guarantee the U.S. will intervene militarily if the PRC attacks or invades Taiwan nor does it relinquish it, as its primary purpose is to ensure the US's Taiwan policy will not be changed unilaterally by the president and ensure any decision to defend Taiwan will be made with the consent of Congress.

Which contradicts Joe's words

President Joe Biden said Monday that the United States would intervene militarily if China attempts to take Taiwan by force, a warning that appeared to deviate from the deliberate ambiguity traditionally held by Washington.

If Congress has not agreed , then Biden is threatening war with China , not the American government or Congress.
 
Ghost Rider said:
Genuine question, threatening china with military opposition (effectively going to war with china), how is that any better than anything trump said?

If trump had said that people would be up in arms calling for his head and be one of the many things people attacked him for saying.

Got to have balance here, Biden threatening war with China is just as dangerous and idiotic as anything that came before him. Trump wanted to attack china financially, biden is saying physically. i know which one is the more ridiculous sounding one.

Otherwise its just political bias that boils down to turning a blind eye to something you wouldn't stand for if the person had a fake tan and a maga hat.
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just to be clear, I'm not condoning what Biden said re. China. I was responding to Carolinablue asking why no one was commenting on it.
When I pointed out that perhaps Trumps antics had sucked all the oxygen out of the room, I was criticized for comparing Biden to Trump.

I think saying we're "effectively going to war with China" is hyperbole in the extreme!

How is it better than what Trump said?
Biden is looking at geopolitics at the moment and assessing the Chinese threat to Taiwan given the war in Ukraine. He deemed it necessary to check Chinese ambition on that front. I don't approve but I also don't think it was a careless gaff. If you want to see volatile international relations between the US and China, just look at military maneuvers in the South China sea.

How is it better than Trump? Well, This time last year Trump was ordering his Secretary of Defense to bomb Mexico, claiming no one would know it was us.
It's not a high bar to be better than Trump.

So, in the light of Putins Ukraine invasion, I can see why Biden might be saber rattling when it comes to Xi, especially given what's happened in Hong Kong.

Donald Trump was such a car crash of a president that failing to criticize Biden for something that you disapprove of cant be seen as political, more just a return to normal crappy foreign policy.

We spent 4 years waking up every day to a POTUS who wanted to send a quarter million troops to the southern border, shoot innocent protesters outside the white house, bomb Mexico, inject light in to your veins to cure Covid, saluting north Korean generals, firing paper rolls at hurricane victims, trying to buy greenland, contemplating nuking a hurricane (or changing its direction with a sharpie), telling a 7 year old there's no such thing as santa, and that's before you get to the serious stuff like wanting to dissolve NATO or questioning the CIA while stood beside Putin, or taking kids off their parents and then losing them, and so on and so forth.

Dithery old Joe and his gaffs is still a breath of fresh air.
 
Ghost Rider said:
Insert my own ideas? About trump? So if trump offered military support against China , it would be perfectly fine? Much the same way he challenged Putin, challenged north Korea and got called the biggest threat to the world?

In fact it's been 6 years of trump this trump that over and over, not one good thing is said about trump but this would be fine? Everyone would be happy if trump said that?

If you want to act like trump wouldn't be attacked for saying that then you are bending reality , everything he ever said was scrutinised and broadcast.

As for the Taiwan relations act..

The Taiwan Relations Act does not guarantee the U.S. will intervene militarily if the PRC attacks or invades Taiwan nor does it relinquish it, as its primary purpose is to ensure the US's Taiwan policy will not be changed unilaterally by the president and ensure any decision to defend Taiwan will be made with the consent of Congress.

Which contradicts Joe's words

President Joe Biden said Monday that the United States would intervene militarily if China attempts to take Taiwan by force, a warning that appeared to deviate from the deliberate ambiguity traditionally held by Washington.

If Congress has not agreed , then Biden is threatening war with China , not the American government or Congress.
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If Trump did this then it'd be the end of the world and now that Biden has done it *crickets* is so far beyond reality it's absurd. Frankly, it is cry-arsing.

What about "there's no change in policy" contradicts the Act (that you felt you had to copy and paste from Wikipedia)?
 
BlueTX said:
If Trump did this then it'd be the end of the world and now that Biden has done it *crickets* is so far beyond reality it's absurd. Frankly, it is cry-arsing.

What about "there's no change in policy" contradicts the Act (that you felt you had to copy and paste from Wikipedia)?
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You could argue a lot of the opinion of trump over these past 6 years has been cry arsing as well.

Even 2 years later still trump this trump that.
 
BlueTX said:
Whataboutisms and bothsidesism. Just gotta have balance here, huh?

Forgive if I'm a bit testy. My fellow Americans keep shooting school children.
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Until people can admit fault in both sides then the problem never goes away.

I've just seen that story now actually , it's heartbreaking. Whole other discussion in another thread but I can't understand why that is such a regular occurrence now underneath access to guns. Horrible stuff.
 
Ghost Rider said:
You could argue a lot of the opinion of trump over these past 6 years has been cry arsing as well.

Even 2 years later still trump this trump that.
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Because he hasn't simply gone away like he "promised" he would after losing the election. Like any normal person who runs for President and loses does.

No. He's still very much in the picture, battling for control of the GOP, putting guys like Oz up for governor in PA, and backing imbeciles like Mastriano for governor here, and right wing people actually voting for him en masse.

So no. We cannot forget about history, lest it repeat itself. Because there's a possibility our democracy won't survive next time.
 
Ghost Rider said:
Until people can admit fault in both sides then the problem never goes away.

I've just seen that story now actually , it's heartbreaking. Whole other discussion in another thread but I can't understand why that is such a regular occurrence now underneath access to guns. Horrible stuff.
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The assumption "people" cannot or do not is faulty.

Heartbreaking indeed what's happened.
 
Pittsburgh Footy said:
Because he hasn't simply gone away like he "promised" he would after losing the election. Like any normal person who runs for President and loses does.

No. He's still very much in the picture, battling for control of the GOP, putting guys like Oz up for governor in PA, and backing imbeciles like Mastriano for governor here, and right wing people actually voting for him en masse.

So no. We cannot forget about history, lest it repeat itself. Because there's a possibility our democracy won't survive next time.
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I'm of the opinion that if the 2 best people that could be found are Biden and Trump then it's a poor show all round, I would however say, that Hillary does seem to be similar to Trump in that she always seems to be lurking in the background and I can't really see why she believes her own perceived self importance.

Why is she afforded such a free platform, when in reality she is pretty much insignificant?

It does appear somewhat unbalanced
 
Dixieslaces said:
I'm of the opinion that if the 2 best people that could be found are Biden and Trump then it's a poor show all round, I would however say, that Hillary does seem to be similar to Trump in that she always seems to be lurking in the background and I can't really see why she believes her own perceived self importance.

Why is she afforded such a free platform, when in reality she is pretty much insignificant?

It does appear somewhat unbalanced
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Hillary is only talked about on Fox News mate

She is nowhere near the spotlight anywhere else
 
Pittsburgh Footy said:
Hillary is only talked about on Fox News mate

She is nowhere near the spotlight anywhere else
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To what extent is that on purpose though?

Same as Biden is not spoken about negatively at all except for fox news and other non left news outlets.

Think it's proven at this point that the media manipulate public opinion in the west. Plenty of topics that will be reported one way or another depending on political stance.
 
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