Current Affairs Joe Biden POTUS #46

[catcherintherye]

ok, well that's a politicians answer.
I'm not sure you're fully taking in to account the significance of an established white middle class senator obediently playing second fiddle to a black president for 8 years.

Well I'm not a politician, I'm just trying to answer the questions set. How do you feasibly expect me to judge whether the guy is racist or not? I've got no idea!

I should imagine being VP on an enormous salary, to a palpably better qualified and more charismatic individual probably helped. I mean being VP to Barack Obama is about the best gravy train you can get yourelf on isn't it?

 

[orly]

I don't know the letters you refer to mate? If he's a man, he's probably sexist though, most men are.

Wtf lol

 

[catcherintherye]

Everything you said there after the first 10 words is meaningly supposition and opinion though.

There's been plenty of reflection. The mistakes of the Clinton campaign have been litigated to the n'th degree at this point

Have they? Has anyone senior, including Clinton herself taken any ownership? Or have kept spouting blame and making out they are the victims in all of this? I don't remember any contrition or apologies from Clinton for royally screwing it up.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

Wtf lol

The guy's having a rough afternoon.

 

[catcherintherye]

But that doesn't mean Sanders would've won had he been the nominee. Perhaps, as a Britisher who makes regular reference to a Labour Party as a longtime mainstay of national politics, you're overestimating the size and organized power of the American left.

We have no idea what would have happened of course. He'd have had a lot better chance than Clinton though.

 

[Ruairi77]

I don't know the letters you refer to mate? If he's a man, he's probably sexist though, most men are.

All I'm saying is that if you're a politician in America in your late seventies, you probably made questionable choices 40 years ago. It's also important to see how those politicians acknowledged those mistakes and worked toward correcting them.
Biden, more than most, has done a good job of this. This is why he's the most popular white politician among African Americans.

 

[catcherintherye]

Like I said, the system is broken, but it's easier to fix from within.

The issue is though, the Democratic party is not a socialist/left leaning party. I don't think it can really be fixed per se. It is fixed now with a leder like Biden. Thats the sort of organisation it is, for better or worse.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

Have they? Has anyone senior, including Clinton herself taken any ownership? Or have kept spouting blame and making out they are the victims in all of this? I don't remember any contrition or apologies from Clinton for royally screwing it up.

There's plenty of blame to go round. Most of the leaders of her campaign have come out and said they made significant mistakes in messaging (not enough on economics), in how they dealt with Trump's BS (when to take the bait and when not to) and with where they focused their campaign (ignoring Wisconsin, for example, is borderline criminal).

Are they still sore about the elements that weren't in their control? Well yeah I'd hope so, as anyone in the country who gives a **** about fair elections should be.

 

[Ruairi77]

We have no idea what would have happened of course. He'd have had a lot better chance than Clinton though.

a contridiction in two sentences here.

 

[catcherintherye]

All I'm saying is that if you're a politician in America in your late seventies, you probably made questionable choices 40 years ago. It's also important to see how those politicians acknowledged those mistakes and worked toward correcting them.
Biden, more than most, has done a good job of this. This is why he's the most popular white politician among African Americans.

Yes thats fair. And the point you make about Sanders is fair too, if he's made sexist comments.

However it doesn't do anyone any good to downplay or refuse to accdpt the mistakes leaders make. I'm sure Bidens done good and bad. As I said at the start, he's not Trump. Thats about the best qualification he can have, and in all honesty probably the best qualification any democrat can have currently.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

The issue is though, the Democratic party is not a socialist/left leaning party. I don't think it can really be fixed per se. It is fixed now with a leder like Biden. Thats the sort of organisation it is, for better or worse.

It isn't "socialist" because that's not where the country is. The word itself scares the bejesus out of a huge portion of the US in a way that it doesn't in the UK. They hear "socialist" and think "communist".

The party is, however, moving to the left. Incrementally, but noticeably. But where a Party is ideologically doesn't make the blindest bit of difference if they don't win. Biden's platform is the furthest Left of any in a US Presidential Election in recent memory. By a good bit too.

 

[catcherintherye]

There's plenty of blame to go round. Most of the leaders of her campaign have come out and said they made significant mistakes in messaging (not enough on economics), in how they dealt with Trump's BS (when to take the bait and when not to) and with where they focused their campaign (ignoring Wisconsin, for example, is borderline criminal).

Are they still sore about the elements that weren't in their control? Well yeah I'd hope so, as anyone in the country who gives a **** about fair elections should be.

Ok so has Hillary Clinton taken ownership and apologised for her own poor performance? I haven't seen that.

 

[LinekersLegs]

We have no idea what would have happened of course. He'd have had a lot better chance than Clinton though.

There is no empirical evidence for this and quite a lot, the 2020 primary results, against it.

 

[catcherintherye]

It isn't "socialist" because that's not where the country is. The word itself scares the bejesus out of a huge portion of the US in a way that it doesn't in the UK. They hear "socialist" and think "communist".

The party is, however, moving to the left. Incrementally, but noticeably. But where a Party is ideologically doesn't make the blindest bit of difference if they don't win. Biden's platform is the furthest Left of any in a US Presidential Election in recent memory. By a good bit too.

Yes I agree re socialist, but use another label to descrie the same thing say "left". The Democratic party is not a left organisation either. Thats why we have the contradictions that exist currently.

 

[Ruairi77]

The issue is though, the Democratic party is not a socialist/left leaning party. I don't think it can really be fixed per se. It is fixed now with a leder like Biden. Thats the sort of organisation it is, for better or worse.

Maybe it's not broken. Maybe the will of the people determine the direction of the party.
Maybe most left wing Americans are moderates and there's a healthy minority of progressives.
Maybe in the future these progressives will convince the public that their platform makes the most sense and the public will elect more progressives who in turn, strengthen the caucus and change the direction of the party.
It takes a while to get your head around the system here, but it's light years away from the UK.