Current Affairs Jeremy Corbyn, Russian/Czech agent ?......

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"In 1933 Labour’s annual conference passed a resolution calling for “the total disarmament of all nations” and pledging never to take part in any war. The party routinely opposed rearmament. This mattered enormously. Adolf Hitler and his confrères took it as evidence that they could proceed with impunity".

Rubbish. Hitler took 'strength' for the fact that half the establishment were Nazi supporters including the King in waiting and the Rothmere's and the British banking fraternity who bankrolled him until 1941 etc.. Sections of the ruling classes message to Hitler was he could 'proceed with impunity' including 'practicisng the Blitzkreig in Spain during the Spanish Civil War when the British establishment refused an alliance with the USSR to stop Hitler. The ruling classes 'pacifism' 'do what you want Men Fruhreh' dressed up as 'appeasement' gave Hitler all the 'evidence that they could proceed with impunity'.

I fear you've rather missed the point. This is what Corbyn himself said in the wake of the Syrian bombing:
"I doubt many, if any, in this room would have questioned the legitimacy, ultimately, of the Second World War. Because of the catastrophe that had approached by the rise of the Nazis all across Europe to that point. And so I think there has to be, ultimately, that preparedness to use military force."

Yet Labour party policy at the time had been disarmament, which wouldn't exactly have helped the country be ready for such a response, would it?

"In 1984, a few weeks after an IRA bomb nearly killed Thatcher (and did kill five others) at the Conservative Party conference in Brighton, he invited Gerry Adams, the leader of the IRA’s political wing, to Parliament for a reception. The essence of Corbynism is the rejection of one of the basic tenets of British foreign policy: that you side with the West, rather than its enemies. He is a pacifist of ideological convenience rather than principle".

Jesus wept. Ireland is in the West. What a numpty this Bagehot really is. Yet another anti Corbyn windbag whoever they are. Rewrite history to blame Corbyn. The establishment will stop at nothing at this moment to stop Corbyn including General's threatening a military coup if he leads the Labour Party to election success.

You perhaps missed the bit in bold, which was the point of the article. Corbyn is fine with military action providing it fits his ideology. The problem is that his ideology nearly always sides against Britain and its traditional allies.

A similar article was published back in 2015 when Corbyn was elected leader of the party - https://www.spectator.co.uk/2015/11/jeremy-corbyn-isnt-anti-war-hes-just-anti-west/ (I trust given the debate about RT that it will be treated on its merits rather than discounted due to its source)

Before the bodies in Paris’s restaurants were cold, Jeremy Corbyn’s Stop the War Coalition knew who the real villains were — and they were not the Islamists who massacred civilians. ‘Paris reaps whirlwind of western support for extremist violence in Middle East’ ran a headline on its site. The article went on to say that the consequence of the West’s ‘decades-long, bipartisan cultivation of religious extremism will certainly be more bloodshed, more repression and more violent intervention’.

This flawless example of what I once called the ‘kill us, we deserve it’ school of political analysis takes us to the heart of Corbyn’s beliefs. Even his opponents have yet to appreciate the malign double standards of the new Labour party, though they ought to be clear for all to see by now.

Whatever its protestations, Corbyn’s far left is not anti-war. Pacifism may not be a moral position in all circumstances but, in my view at least, it remains an honourable belief, rooted in Christian teaching. Corbyn does not share it. He does not oppose violence wherever it comes from, as the BBC’s political editor claimed this week. When anti-western regimes and movements go to war, his language turns slippery. Corbyn never quite has the guts to support the violence of others, but he excuses it like a gangster’s lawyer trying to get a crime boss off on a technicality.

He defended the Russian invasion of Ukraine by saying the West had provoked the Kremlin. His spin-doctor, Seumas Milne of the Guardian, the nearest thing you can find to a Stalinist in the 21st century, joined the leaders of Europe’s far-right parties at Putin’s propaganda summits. Meanwhile Corbyn and John McDonnell have defended the IRA, Hezbollah and Hamas. Like many on the far left (and right), they are pro-Assad. So committed to Syrian Ba’athism are Stop the War that they tried to stop Syrian refugees from Assad’s terror speaking at their meetings.

You cannot describe a far left that can overlook Assad’s atrocities as pacifist. Nor can you call its members little Englanders. True isolationists think we have no business wasting our blood and treasure in other people’s conflicts — a view I suspect the majority of the British share. They do not want to call radical Islamists, Assad, or Putin their ‘friends’ and take up their grievances. They hope, vainly I fear, that we can ignore them.

Corbyn, along with too much of ‘progressive opinion’, has a mistrust bordering on hatred for western powers. They do not just condemn the West for its crimes, which are frequent enough. They are ‘Occidentalists’, to use the jargon: people who see the West as the ‘root cause’ of all evil.

Their ideology is in turn genuinely rootless. They have no feeling for the best traditions of their country, and their commitments to the victims of foreign oppression are shallow and insincere. They rightly condemn western support for Saudi Arabia. But if the Saudis were to become the West’s enemy tomorrow, their opposition would vanish like dew in the morning sun.

These double standards were once a problem for those of us who thought the British left deserved better. Now that we have learned from Corbyn’s landslide victory that the British left neither deserve nor want better, they are everyone else’s problem too.

Stop the War revealed the devious inability of the new left to stick by what they mean. As soon as they realised that outsiders were reading the site, they removed the offending article. Corbyn was as shifty. On Monday, Labour MPs implored him to reject the idea that an attack on Parisians by a fascistic Islamist movement was the West’s fault. He ducked into woozy bureaucratic language and said Stop the War’s argument was ‘inappropriate’. He refused to condemn it, however. How could he when he would be rejecting everything he believed for 40 years?

Those who want to see the far left for what it is should be able to detect a pattern in his statements by now. Corbyn’s response to the Paris killings was to join with other apparently moral voices and denounce the media for not giving equal space to atrocities ‘outside Europe’. You do not understand Corbyn if you reply, as Helen Lewis of the New Statesman did, that ‘the media is full of foreign news that barely gets read’ — telling though her putdown was. Nor is it enough to go further and say that Corbyn does not want foreign news that contradicts his Manichean worldview.

Conspiracy theories certainly riddle his far left, who dismiss reports of inconvenient war crimes as lies by corporate media designed to brainwash the masses into supporting western imperialism. The reality, however, is worse than a mere blocking out of unpleasant truths. Corbyn and his supporters do not want us to think about Paris because they cannot accept that privileged westerners can be victims. If Isis kills them, it is their own or their governments’ fault. All you should do is mutter ‘blowback’ and turn off the news.

Understand that the far left believe that only favoured groups can be victims, and you understand the growth of left-wing anti-Semitism, the indifference to demands for women’s equality in rich countries, as well as the ease with which they dismiss bodies on Parisian streets. Privileged whites are the problem. We should shed no tears for them.

Corbyn’s inability to state his true beliefs defines his leadership of the Labour party. To take the most brazen instance, he condemned the assassination of Mohammed ‘Jihadi John’ Emwazi by saying it would have been better if he had been brought before a court. So it would. But Corbyn would not have supported sending special forces to Syria to kidnap Emwazi and bring him to trial. He does not believe in deploying the armed forces. Indeed he is ‘not happy’ with police shooting to kill terrorists murdering British citizens on British streets. His apparently moral stance was built on an outright lie.

A chorus of approval from ignorant cliché-mongers accompanied Jeremy Corbyn’s election as Labour’s leader. He was authentic. He was not afraid to say what he thought. He was not the creation of focus groups and media manipulators, but an honest man making a new politics.

Every claim they made was false. Jeremy Corbyn and the left he comes from cannot campaign for office by saying what they really think or they would horrify the bulk of the population. They say enough to keep their ‘base’ happy, and then dodge and twist when they speak to the rest of us. Far from being authentic, Jeremy Corbyn is one of the most dishonest politicians you will see in your lifetime.
 
You perhaps missed the bit in bold, which was the point of the article. Corbyn is fine with military action providing it fits his ideology. The problem is that his ideology nearly always sides against Britain and its traditional allies.

A similar article was published back in 2015 when Corbyn was elected leader of the party - https://www.spectator.co.uk/2015/11/jeremy-corbyn-isnt-anti-war-hes-just-anti-west/ (I trust given the debate about RT that it will be treated on its merits rather than discounted due to its source)

The problem with that article is that Cohen is too clever not to realise that Corbyn's contention (that the increase in attacks by Wahabbi-inspired elements in the West is linked to and has been boosted by Western policy in the middle east) is demonstrably true, so we end up with several hundred words rehashing all the (then) Corbyn memes - including the one that Laura Kuenssberg made up - followed by a claim that Corbyn is fundamentally dishonest (which is an odd thing to claim when Cohen has just listed all the times Corbyn has publicly backed the wrong people).
 
I fear you've rather missed the point. This is what Corbyn himself said in the wake of the Syrian bombing:
"I doubt many, if any, in this room would have questioned the legitimacy, ultimately, of the Second World War. Because of the catastrophe that had approached by the rise of the Nazis all across Europe to that point. And so I think there has to be, ultimately, that preparedness to use military force."

Yet Labour party policy at the time had been disarmament, which wouldn't exactly have helped the country be ready for such a response, would it?



You perhaps missed the bit in bold, which was the point of the article. Corbyn is fine with military action providing it fits his ideology. The problem is that his ideology nearly always sides against Britain and its traditional allies.

A similar article was published back in 2015 when Corbyn was elected leader of the party - https://www.spectator.co.uk/2015/11/jeremy-corbyn-isnt-anti-war-hes-just-anti-west/ (I trust given the debate about RT that it will be treated on its merits rather than discounted due to its source)

The bold bit was related to the bit about Pacifism in the Labour Party and how that aided Hitler. Hilter was assisted and supported in his rise to power by the Nazi loving King in waiting, who became the eventual King and was forced to abdicate. Hilter was hailed on by the Rothmere's.

"Let's get the undisputed facts out of the way first. At the beginning of the 1930s, the then Viscount Rothermere (Harold Harmsworth) owned the Mail and the Mirror.

In January 1934, he wrote - under his own byline - articles that appeared in both the Mail and the Mirror. The former was headlined "Hurrah for the Blackshirts". The latter was headlined "Give the Blackshirts a helping hand."

Within a year, he had removed his support for Mosley's party, though he remained an admirer of both Hitler and Mussolini. Indeed, he met and corresponded with Hitler, even congratulating him on his annexation of Czechoslovakia.

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Rothermere I (Harold Harmsworth) with Hitler
So we can be under no illusion that Rothermere the First was a supporter of the Nazis. And he had the power to say so through his Mail ownership - at least until the declaration of war.'

This is what helped Hitler along with British and US banks financing his economy and re-armament programme, not the Labour Party's pacifism.

The writer mentions the 1930s and pacifism to lead on to Corbyn. No to re-armament was popular, not only Britain, but the rest of Europe. Labour won a by election on that platform.

"Guilty Men was a British polemical book written under the pseudonym "Cato" and published in July 1940. It attacked fifteen public figures for their failed policies towards Germany and for their failure to equip the British armed forces adequately. It is the classic denunciation of appeasement, which it defined as the "deliberate surrender of small nations in the face of Hitler's blatant bullying".[1]

The book's slogan, "Let the guilty men retire", was an attack on members of the National Government before Winston Churchill became Prime Minister in May 1940. Most were Conservatives, although some were National Liberals and one was Ramsay MacDonald, the late leader of the Labour Party. Several were current members of Churchill's government. The book shaped popular thinking about appeasement for twenty years; it effectively destroyed the reputation of former Prime Ministers Stanley Baldwin and Neville Chamberlain, and contributed to the defeat of the Conservative Party at the 1945 general election. According to historian David Dutton, "its impact upon Chamberlain's reputation, both among the general public and within the academic world, was profound indeed".[2][3][4]

The "guilty men" were:

Note Lansbury's name is not there. 'Yet Labour party policy at the time had been disarmament, which wouldn't exactly have helped the country be ready for such a response, would it? You ask.

The artcile by Bagehot, whoever that is, "Enter Jeremy Corbyn. Today’s world has more than a whiff of the 1930s about it. The old order is shaky. Strongmen are on the march. Wars on the periphery are threatening to spread. And the leader of the Labour Party is talking about peace. The big difference this time is that Mr Corbyn is much more powerful than Lansbury ever was. He has a tight grip on his party apparatus and is the most likely winner of the next general election.

Mr Corbyn says that he is not a pacifist. He is willing to sanction the use of force in certain circumstances—“under international law and as a genuine last resort”—and gives the second world war as an example of a conflict he would have been willing to support. It is true that he is not a pacifist, but not for the high-minded reasons that he gives. He has spent his life opposing the use of force by Western governments. He not only objected to the Iraq war, and acted as chairman of the Stop the War Coalition in 2011-15. He also opposed the West’s decision to strike against Serbia’s Slobodan Milosevic in 1999. He not only spent his youth campaigning against the Vietnam war and nuclear weapons. He has also been a longtime critic of NATO.

But his conscience has been less sensitive when it comes to opposing the use of force by anti-Western regimes or by various non-state actors. He half-justified Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in 2014, saying that the roots of the conflict lay in “belligerence” from the West and that Vladimir Putin was “not unprovoked”. He has often found time to hold meetings with left-wing groups that have sanctioned the use of violence to achieve their aims. In 1984, a few weeks after an IRA bomb nearly killed Thatcher (and did kill five others) at the Conservative Party conference in Brighton, he invited Gerry Adams, the leader of the IRA’s political wing, to Parliament for a reception. The essence of Corbynism is the rejection of one of the basic tenets of British foreign policy: that you side with the West, rather than its enemies. He is a pacifist of ideological convenience rather than principle'.

Corbyn has never supported the IRA's armed struggle as the writer is implying, 'ideological convience rather than principle'. Corbyn never supported the ANC's military wing Umkhonto we Sizwe. You can of course show that he did indeed support those two organisations. What is a half-justification?

'The essence of Corbynism is the rejection of one of the basic tenets of British foreign policy: that you side with the West, rather than its enemies'.

Is that the foreign policy that tries to have the western Leader Charles Haughey assassinated? Loyalists told Charles Haughey MI5 'asked us to execute you' '
“In 1985 we were approached by a MI5 officer attached to the NIO (Northern Ireland Office) and based in Lisburn, Alex Jones was his supposed name,” the UVF said.

“He asked us to execute you.”

The previously secret letter, on UVF headed paper, showed the loyalists told Mr Haughey that the MI5 operative gave details of his cars, photographs of his home, his island, Inishvickillane, and his yacht, Celtic Mist.

“We refused to do it, we were asked would we accept responsibility if you were killed we refused,” the UVF said in the letter.

Signed in block capitals “Capt W Johnston”, the name used by the UVF in all its formal statements, it closed with the line: “We have no love for you but we are not going to carry out work for the Dirty Tricks Department of the British.” - PA

With MI5 supplying the UVF with chemicals to damage the Irish economy,

@The message was signed in block capitals “Capt W Johnston”, the name used by the UVF in its formal statements. The UVF said it had killed 17 men using information from British intelligence during earlier years of the Troubles.

The organisation claimed the MI5 plot was aimed at destroying the “Eire economy”. It said British intelligence planned to provide it with a spoon of “Anthras” (sic), “Foort and Mouth Disease”, “Fowl Pest, Swine Fever and Jaagsikpi” to be released in Ireland'.

I would hope Corbyn would reject this type of 'basic tenet of UK foreign policy'.

Yet another writer who claims Corbyn is anti west.

Jeremy Corbyn isn’t anti-war. He’s just anti-West
And his inability to state his true beliefs defines his leadership of the Labour party
Nick Cohen

This is the same Nick Cohen who still, even after Chilcott, is an apologist for Blair's lying dirty war. Because 'Saddam Hussein killed his own people and most definitely used chemicals'. Even after the half a million deaths since Blair's war, Nick Cohen can still justify this because Saddam Hussein 'killed people and used chemicals'. It is a pity that Nick Cohen isn't a man of principle as he was the cheer leader for Saddam Hussein's use of chemical warfare against Iran.

"As anybody who read my review is aware, my criticisms of his book do not consist of a denial that jihadis are a fascistic enemy who must be defeated. We both agree that Islamists are a monstrous foe who would kill us both given the chance. (I am gay; Cohen is ethnically Jewish.) Where we disagree is on how to defeat them. Cohen’s preferred tactic—enthusiastically supporting the Bush strategy—has actually enlarged and spread jihadism, as every major study of the phenomenon shows. One of my Iraqi friends is now living in a Basra neighborhood where Taliban-style militias beat women who walk onto the street without a veil and stone adulteresses. This is the consequence of the war Cohen still claims was necessary and worthwhile in his columns. The caveats he quotes in his response constitute literally a few hundred words out of tens of thousands backing Bush enthusiastically, as anybody who reads his book will see.

I am puzzled that Cohen will not defend his own writing, instead denying much of it exists. For example, he denies ever arguing that the West was right to back Saddam in the 1980s. Here are his words from his recent book Pretty Straight Guys: “The world had little choice but to support Saddam’s unprovoked war on Iran. A victory for the Ayatollahs would have left the Iraqi, Kuwaiti and Saudi oilfields at Iran’s mercy.” If he wants to renounce this argument, that is welcome; but he cannot claim I invented it". Taking Issue: Johann Hari Responds to Nick Cohen July 16, 2007

Cohen makes no bones about what he feels about Corbyn and will do anything to stop him getting elected. Maybe Cohen should keep peddling half truths and get on with promoting his 2006 Euston Manifesto and stand on that platform at the next general election. Maybe he has 'given up on the Left' because they take no notice of a non principled person who does convenient somersaults to suit his political agenda. Which at the moment is 'stop Corbyn'.
 
"The BBC has formally rejected complaints that its Newsnight programme Photoshopped an image of Jeremy Corbyn to make him look “more Russian”, insisting that the programme’s use of the picture was “impartial and fair”."

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...then they wonder why they're seen as the Tory stooges they most definitely are.

The picture of Corbyn with hat is real, the background is the photoshopped bit, which is what they are saying......
 
"The BBC has formally rejected complaints that its Newsnight programme Photoshopped an image of Jeremy Corbyn to make him look “more Russian”, insisting that the programme’s use of the picture was “impartial and fair”."

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...then they wonder why they're seen as the Tory stooges they most definitely are.

They didn't try to make him look more Russian? They put him in front of the Moscow skyline in some weird looking photoshopped hat.

Guess that was just a coincidence.
 
They didn't try to make him look more Russian? They put him in front of the Moscow skyline in some weird looking photoshopped hat.

Guess that was just a coincidence.

No, really, they didn’t. The photo of him in the hat is real. The background was made up.......
 
It is a stock image that they have used before. The whole thing was blown out of proportion tbh.









Agreed it’s blown out of proportion. Would of found it kind of funny if they just admitted they did it on purpose.

I mean, out of all the backgrounds to use, that happened to be the one. Out of all the photos of Corbyn to choose, that happened to be the one. Out of all the ways to contrast the photo, it just so happened to make him look like he’s wearing Lenin’s hat. And it’s all a coincidence?

I have some magic beans to sell you.
 
Agreed it’s blown out of proportion. Would of found it kind of funny if they just admitted they did it on purpose.

I mean, out of all the backgrounds to use, that happened to be the one. Out of all the photos of Corbyn to choose, that happened to be the one. Out of all the ways to contrast the photo, it just so happened to make him look like he’s wearing Lenin’s hat. And it’s all a coincidence?

I have some magic beans to sell you.

I imagine you're the type to believe in magic beans given the ease with which you'll ignore a reasonable and logical explanation and instead claim its a BBC conspiracy against Corbyn because they used the same stock image they've used for stories about a tory mp and because they adjusted the contrast and colour grading on a photo.
 
I imagine you're the type to believe in magic beans given the ease with which you'll ignore a reasonable and logical explanation and instead claim its a BBC conspiracy against Corbyn because they used the same stock image they've used for stories about a tory mp and because they adjusted the contrast and colour grading on a photo.

I wonder why they used an unadjusted photo of the Tory MP in a suit? Guess it was just luck of the draw that they chose that photo of Corbyn and also just luck of the draw what contrast and colour grading they used.
 
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