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lets be honest lad, we don't want our players to be getting killed over some stupid tournament the other side of the world. And don't be skitting Darron Gibson when he probably costs more than your league put together

Nope, you they won't be killed

it's more a political battle
you come, be able to play or
not come, and unable to play

fool thing if they try to kill an international team

For Darren Gibson, how much does he cost? I Don't think Indonesian teams will lose in terms of payment, especially those who are backed by mining corps.
 

yes,

because you are an international team, The illegal KPSI side won't be stupid enough to make some chaos "Crudely"
that's why they use their hands in the organizers for a "soft way"
so they can make a propaganda that the legal FA of Indonesia has failed

Inter and QPR proved that.
They're not stupid enough to make a national problem become an international problem.

a failure to make an international club come here is already a big achievement for these rebels, and a huge loss for the legal FA. not only money, but also trust.

So that backs up Everton's reason not to play,

If Galatasary dont turn up and Everton do. then this "KPSI" causes trouble because the Turkish side didnt appear, then what about the safety of Everton??
 
So that backs up Everton's reason not to play,

If Galatasary dont turn up and Everton do. then this "KPSI" causes trouble because the Turkish side didnt appear, then what about the safety of Everton??

As I said international teams are safe
The police and security will be much more tighter
and because it gamble our face to the world
they won't be stupid to make a "crude" chaos

this is a political battle

wether you come, play
or not come, and unable to play

The maximum troubles they do is troubling our own people, but they won't touch international side so this become an international issue.

it;s the same for Galatasaray too. For those plane problems, why the organizer didn't organize it, why Galatasaray didn't negotiate about in the contract. It seems too true for an a big Turkish club like galatasaray to cancel just because they the cost to rent a plane is too expensive
 
[video=youtube;coI_JIzqW00]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coI_JIzqW00&feature=share[/video]

this is the video when Persebaya supporters were shot crying gasses by the police, and were punch and kicked.

3 june, a small kid, Purwo Adhi Utomo, died because of that incident, others wounded(mostly woman and children)
23 July, they face QPR

Our Country needs many support. we're trying to sort our situation, working and repairing broken things. Maybe you can feel this too. You know that time when liverpool made the mess and you as champions can't enter the european stage?
How you english people try to be more organized and educate your supporters.

The situation in Indonesia is much worse than that. But we are learning and progressing
I'll talk about the supporters

before this, maybe 5-7 years ago, the bonek - (Persebaya supporter) were known as food thiefs robbers, train hijackers, stone throwing to houses, and gang up to fight with other supporters.

We, bobotoh, Persib Bandung are one of their most hated enemies,
I can';t count the incidents and don't remember how many died.
2007 was it?, an incident at our national stadium, caused a bobotoh killed

but 2009...Because of a certain incident, when we were both cheated, we became friendly and cleared the grudge against us
Untill now, you can see bonek-bobotoh, green and blue side by side at Persib and Persebaya games, wether it;s Persebaya vs Persib or Persib/Persebaya facing other sides.

and then Pasoepati-Bonek
You know Bonek likes train hijacking and throwing stones to houses near the rail
Off course this fuels revenge
And Pasoepati of Persis solo, is one of them
Whenever the train loaded by bonek passes Solo
there will be stone throwing war of Bonek(away) vs Pasoepati(home)
For that reason, The train was commanded by the police to never stop at Solo and run at top speed.

but, a year ago, in 2011. Dunno how, a small group from bonek and Pasoepati suddenly decided to have peace. a small group of bonek carry the Pasoepati syal, waving it in the stadium, and at the convoy.
Was that process hard, ofcourse, no one said it was easy. The ones who supported this peace idea were humiliated, ostracized, treated as a treacher, were called by bad names, their inbox full of dirty words and such. There were also cases the opponent supporters don't believe it and chase them, throwing stones at them. But after those blood and tears, those hard work, even not 100% at least there's a significant group that support the peace between Pasoepati-Bonek.

Bonek also keep moving on, from a supporter known for brutality and cruelty, to be a good supporter, buying tickets, pay for the train, pay for the food they take, doesn't cause havoc and chaos when Persebaya have games, so know merchants and shops feel safe to keep open, and the train company doesn't feel scared their train wagons destroyed.

Topping of that. Our country has a dualism, the PSSI (legal FA) vs KPSI(Illegal organization). This KPSI has hands on many clubs with their person on the managemement so they rebel against PSSI, have strong political bakup and "unlimited" funds, while the legal PSSI has many debts left by its predessor and is in a very weak position. many Indonesia who don't know what's going on and have been brainwashed support the KPSI and blame PSSI for all the the football problem.

The clubs in the legal league have many players whom salaries haven't be paid, and PSSI is blamed for that. With no cash in hand and the backing of sponsors and investors who are scared, the staff and officials are also unable to be paid. They only have little money from people who know what's right and stand to defend PSSI.

That's the situation
 

All in all it's all a bit of a pigs ar*e and best avoided then, yes mate?

would you say the same to the supporters bad behavior back then?
Destroying the stadium, brutal fights, deaths, players fighting at the pitch in the old days

Did you avoid football, saying being a fan or a player is a crime, it's best not to be involved in it, might as well ban football
(You know, A city in Indonesia, Tangerang, did this, because there was too much chaos caused by the supporters)?
or did you learn to be more polite and respect the rules and keep the game moving?
 
would you say the same to the supporters bad behavior back then?
Destroying the stadium, brutal fights, deaths, players fighting at the pitch in the old days

Did you avoid football, saying being a fan or a player is a crime, it's best not to be involved in it, might as well ban football
(You know, A city in Indonesia, Tangerang, did this, because there was too much chaos caused by the supporters)?
or did you learn to be more polite and respect the rules and keep the game moving?

That was all just Liverpool, and they smell
 

long story short, if you try and find 1 proper Everton fan whose as arsed as you are over the tournament getting banned, i'll continue speaking to ya
 

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