He's absolutely not a target man, more of a poacher
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preposterousvelios
Player Valuation: £8m
Same summer window Elanga and Gyokeres cost 60m, Wolves turned down 60m for Strand Larsen, Sesko cost 70m. This is not an 'Everton' problem, market for forwards is absolutely insane and if you're going below 30m for a striker you're signing an absolute no mark.
Brighton signed Kostoulas in summer for 35m after him playing only 22 senior games of Greek league football.
I'm generally less cold on Barry than most of this forum, but I'm pretty confident that in the long run that 30m will look like one of the better deals for a striker made last summer in the PL.
ically
Player Valuation: £2.5m
I’ve watched us for 50 years, I know what disappointment is haha,
I’d of snatched your hand off for mid table this year, however I don’t manage or own the club, hence the reason behind the original post is to see what the ambition is this year, IMO European places aren’t that far away with a small improvement to the squad, surmising they’re all fit, see where we are the end of the window.
3 best signings of the summer - prem experience..
Pickford - prem experience
Gana - prem experience
Illy - championship experience
Garner - both of the above
Branthwaite - league 2 ( i think )
Tarks - prem experience
Keane - prem experience
Mcneil - prem experience
Tim - championship experience
Alcaraz - prem experience
Beto - Italy
Barry - Spain
Rohl - Germany
Aznou - Germany
O'Brien - France
Mykolenko - Ukraine
Patterson - scotland
Not all players mentioned but not bad going for looking at home signings..
I'll have a little dig later but they're hard comparisons, partially because very different leagues but largely because Juanlu has spent a decent amount of time at RW and Doue has spent a decent amount of time at RCB.
pfim
Player Valuation: £50m
I just think they've been very clear, through Moyes, what this window will be (or not be, in this case). They won't be spending a lot, if any. Good deals will need to fall into their laps for them to consider it.
RichCee123
Player Valuation: £1m
O’Brien played in the lower leagues here too.
Melchizedek
Player Valuation: £10m
Not sure about this. We keep the ball down more than under Dyche, but our style of play still relies heavily on a hold up/target man center forward.
It's the main reason Beto and Barry look so ineffective. Neither of them are good at the role the way Moyes wants it played.
If we're recruiting a CF it needs to be a hold up/target man. That's the way moyes has the team set up to play this year. We try to slow it down, keep possession, and work the ball around to pull defense out of position. We need a CF that can take a pass, hold on to it. And then lay it off again as necessary. These are the areas Beto and Barry struggle in.
I really think that how ungainly Barry looks when he plays make people think his touch/hold up play is worse than it actually is - there's loads of examples of him doing exactly that even just this week:
It's not outstanding but I think it's 'good-ish' generally.
preposterousvelios
Player Valuation: £8m
First goal doesn't happen without him carrying the ball central from the left hand side. Had a few other nice moments winning corner early on, and playing some nice switches.
Because his bad moments are a bit slapstick I don't think people really credit that he does have moments of good centre forward play and can link quite well with players around him. My feeling from even his earliest appearances was that we play better football with him up top, in comparison to Beto.
Melchizedek
Player Valuation: £10m
Barry is better at it than Beto, but I still don't think it's the best aspect of his game.
I actually think he looked better last match because we deviated fom our standard game plan this year of possession, and moved thr ball much quicker during counter attacks. His goal being the prime example. We don't make that through pass to the CF enough this year
This is true but not to be a broken record, we are just bad at signing players from abroad. It’s not that buying locally or not locally is better than the other, it’s just that we are simply very bad at signing from abroad. Equally we’ve signed some shockers from the English leagues for the inflated prices.
We just need to get better at plucking the players from abroad
They have both been successes, im not saying they weren't but we need to be realistic.
KDH was good scouting but also luck as mactee turned us down and he was next on the list.
I personally dont think rohl or barry have struggled. Rohl has been injured alot but looked decent when playing deeper (although i think he looks a bit of a headless chicken when played at the tip of the triangle).
Barry has went from playing in the swiss league to starting for a PL team in the sapce of a year and is improving every game. Yeah, he hasnt scored much but we dont create much. So what do you expect.
My original point was people seem to be operating under the delusion that £30m still gets you a top player and it just doesnt anymore.
It gets you exactly what weve gotten for it, potential or rejects. Our fans need to realise its not 2010 and stop using avarage prices to beat our potential signings with.
Ofcourse we do, we have been bad in the past in that department, but their is nothing more boring and bland than reading the neverending cycle of pretty sounding foreign names..
They are atleast twice the gamble, most of the names brought up our from a computer game rating..
I want us to find the best we can wherever that may be, but stop casting off experience for a flavour of the month signing..
What i laid out shows a pretty good picture..
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