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Why was the Catholic Irish so pissed at England? My history might be wrong considering the inferior country i grew up in..
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Why was the Catholic Irish so pissed at England? My history might be wrong considering the inferior country i grew up in..
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unbelievable.... truely unbelievable.
a domestic terrorist group.
don't suppose it crossed anyones minds to 'stand by their allies' then.
Seamus Colemole
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We have Domestic terrorist in our country as well... Oklahoma city Bombing ring a bell? The Oklahoma City Bombing and the Trial of Timothy J. McVeigh
IRA IS A Domestic Terrorist Group!
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not saying that you shouldnt be there, i'm saying that we shouldn't
so are you saying that they were justified ? because if you are then the afghans and iraqi's are equally justified.
the IRA didn't and don't consider themselves to be British so would take offence themselves at being referred to as domestic.
the london bombers were British Muslims so in your words are 'domestic', and if we weren't in iraq/afghanistan then they wouldn't have felt the need to bomb the nations capital.
You have your views and I have mine, yours fuelled by the wtc, and mine by the fact that my cousin grew up without a father, because some [Poor language removed] in Ireland blew him to smitherines by pressing a button on a remote control, from a block of flats when he was diffusing a bomb that was intended to harm many others.
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funded from america by american irish ffs.
you werent interested then and you still arent.
freezing assets is what you could have done.
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Yea because freezing assets and sanctions seem to work through out history...
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The violence was characterised by the armed campaigns of paramilitary groups, including those of the Provisional Irish Republican Army (IRA) campaign of 1969–1997, intended to end British rule in Northern Ireland and to reunite Ireland politically and thus creating a new "all-Ireland" Irish Republic..
The British Government's view was that its forces were neutral in the conflict, trying to uphold law and order in Northern Ireland and the right of the people of Northern Ireland to democratic self-determination. Irish republicans, however, regarded the state forces as forces of occupation and "combatants" in the conflict
Why does this sound familiar with our own struggles.? Or should I say Troubles..
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bangs head on desk. as i said you wasn't interested then and you aren't now, seemingly approving of what they were doing.
they came to England and planted a bomb outside warrington mcdonalds that went off at noon on a saturday ffs, show me a mcd's anywhere that isn't rammed with kids at that time on a weekend.
if they hadn't been rumbled the night before they would have blown the valves off the ends of liquid gas tanks (that were about the size of the shuttles fuel tanks) that would have would have set off across the landscape destroying everything in their path, and there was a bank of about 12 of them. I live in the path of where some of them would've gone.
but hey , we were 'occupying' part of the uk so it's justified.
anyway, politics is banned so count me out of your discussion.
and it's off topic.
Nordecke
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Agreed.. I'm done here... Srry if I offended you in any way.. And by no means was I saying the IRA was justified...
I just want to be clear here. You are blaming the USA because the father of your friend was killed by the IRA?
If we waded in a got our fingers in every single domestic issue out there we would be vilified for trying to manipulate. You can't have it both ways.
Seize assets?? Really?? I don't want to say something that offends you or the memory of your friends father here, but you need to get off your soapbox!
The IRA is a domestic issue, as I am sure the government considers it to be. I am also pretty darn sure the British government doesn't want the US to interfere with domestic policy.
I know I am not going to change your opinion here, but you are suggesting that the UK doesn't have it papers in order to deal with their own problems?? It sure seems that way.
If we waded in a got our fingers in every single domestic issue out there we would be vilified for trying to manipulate. You can't have it both ways.
Seize assets?? Really?? I don't want to say something that offends you or the memory of your friends father here, but you need to get off your soapbox!
The IRA is a domestic issue, as I am sure the government considers it to be. I am also pretty darn sure the British government doesn't want the US to interfere with domestic policy.
I know I am not going to change your opinion here, but you are suggesting that the UK doesn't have it papers in order to deal with their own problems?? It sure seems that way.
Grarghsies
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I'd much prefer if EVERYONE pulled their heads out of their arses when discussing the Troubles thank you very much.
Here are some facts for everyone in this thread.
The IRA are NOT a British domestic terrorist group. They are an international terrorist group which is organised on an all-Ireland basis.
The British Army was indeed welcomed by the nationalists in the 60's and 70's as they were under constant attack from the police forces and loyalist gangs.
Irish-Americans have a long history of funding Irish separatism. The most clear examples are De Valera's tours of America from 1918-1920 during which he raised enough money to run a parallel government which controlled the vast majority of local government in the country as well as funding one of the most effective guerilla forces of its era.
Irish-Americans also funded Fianna Fáil's victory in the 1932 General Election in which his clearly stated policy was the dismantling of the Anglo-Irish Treaty and the imposing of brutal protectionism on imports from Britain.
Irish-Americans also helped fund Loyalist paramilitaries during the Troubles through the Orange Lodges in America.
These are facts. I have absolutely no opinion on the soldier going AWOL. But tread carefully in discussing Ireland. Very few of you know what you're talking about, and some of the sweeping statements are just downright offensive.
Here are some facts for everyone in this thread.
The IRA are NOT a British domestic terrorist group. They are an international terrorist group which is organised on an all-Ireland basis.
The British Army was indeed welcomed by the nationalists in the 60's and 70's as they were under constant attack from the police forces and loyalist gangs.
Irish-Americans have a long history of funding Irish separatism. The most clear examples are De Valera's tours of America from 1918-1920 during which he raised enough money to run a parallel government which controlled the vast majority of local government in the country as well as funding one of the most effective guerilla forces of its era.
Irish-Americans also funded Fianna Fáil's victory in the 1932 General Election in which his clearly stated policy was the dismantling of the Anglo-Irish Treaty and the imposing of brutal protectionism on imports from Britain.
Irish-Americans also helped fund Loyalist paramilitaries during the Troubles through the Orange Lodges in America.
These are facts. I have absolutely no opinion on the soldier going AWOL. But tread carefully in discussing Ireland. Very few of you know what you're talking about, and some of the sweeping statements are just downright offensive.
Mutzo Nutzo
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This...the voice of reason....The Irish situation is not something that can be summed up in a few posts on this board. It is way too deep, complicated and emotive, for this platform.
Getting back on topic...I have some sympathy for the guy who went AWOL, and then got stuck down. However he knew the situation, he served in Afghanistan, where his eyes were opened to the fact that it was all complete bullshit, and we shouldn't be there, and that the war was wrong. He then returned from his tour of duty, based on his feelings he could of and should have requested discharge from the Army at this point.
I myself had similar thoughts following a tour in Bosnia, and at that point I left, even though my job was the coolest job in the world and I loved doing it. The situations that I had to witness and the bullshit that I had to part of didn't sit well with me so I left.
This guy should have done the same, instead he decided to go AWOL. now young kids in the military go awol all the time mostly during basic training, but its not uncommon, nor is the length of his absence uncommon.
Normally this would have resulted in a 4-5 month spell in Colchester, however the length of his sentence concerns me, they seem to have targeted him for being vocally anti-war which is very wrong, as his crime was being AWOL nothing more.
I hope he appeals and gets a reduction in his sentence, and then gets out and gets on with his life
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