2024/25 Jack Harrison

….because there’s been zero continuity planning. Too many contracts have been allowed to run out at the same time, fortunately we’ve managed to stay up otherwise we’d have been in serious trouble.

We’ll need numbers next season, it’d be so difficult and too costly replacing them all. He’ll have a foundation of players he knows are at least effective at this level, he can then attempt to spend monies on the quality he keeps mentioning. Building from the top down by acquiring better than he has.
But Harrison isn’t on a free, he’s still got 3yrs left at Leeds on 90k that’s a 14mil deal, what’s he going to want at Everton if Moyes wanted him 11mil at least, if he’s desperate to get out of Leeds

I’ve seen things like let’s get soucek, Longstaff and now Harrison. All them 3 are 28/29/30 and could cost us with wages 70/80 mil, with no sell on. I know we ain’t buying all them 3 but we could get 1 or 2 and fans are talking like these are good cheap deal for prem experience.
 

There is absolutely no reason we should be even consider retraining Harrison.

He just has not worked out at all, and truth be told he's often felt like a rip off, and we have had him on a free loan.

To go and spend actual money on him, and cover his massive wages would be utterly ridiculous, and once again be a decision towards hampering our long term future.

There are no viable reasons for keeping him.

No regular goals, no regular assists, his take ones are poor, deliveries poor to inconsistent,

We cannot afford this line of thinking, just because we have a lot going out doesn't mean retain bad players.
 
There is absolutely no reason we should be even consider retraining Harrison.

He just has not worked out at all, and truth be told he's often felt like a rip off, and we have had him on a free loan.

To go and spend actual money on him, and cover his massive wages would be utterly ridiculous, and once again be a decision towards hampering our long term future.

There are no viable reasons for keeping him.

No regular goals, no regular assists, his take ones are poor, deliveries poor to inconsistent,

We cannot afford this line of thinking, just because we have a lot going out doesn't mean retain bad players.
To be honest I wouldn't even play him in our remaining games. There must be a wide player in the younger age groups we can give a go to.
 
…never get this ‘favourites’ angle with team selection.

Managers select players because they most effectively fit into the team from the players he has available. The fact that players like Harrison and Doucoure play is not because they’re ‘favourites’, it’s because the squad lacks quality and balance.
This isn't true, though. For example, Moyes played Phil Neville in the centre of midfield, at right back, at left back and even at centre half just to shoehorn him into the side during his first stint. You can argue that that was the most effective use of the squad at the time but it wasn't, Neville was his proxy on the pitch so he played him when others were more suited. Managers definitely have favourites and become blinkered to the alternatives. You see it time and again, managers select players over and over until they are sacked and a new man comes in and that seemingly essential player becomes a bit part player under the new man. If they were essential because of deficiencies in the squad they would still be essential under a new manager, no?
 
This isn't true, though. For example, Moyes played Phil Neville in the centre of midfield, at right back, at left back and even at centre half just to shoehorn him into the side during his first stint. You can argue that that was the most effective use of the squad at the time but it wasn't, Neville was his proxy on the pitch so he played him when others were more suited. Managers definitely have favourites and become blinkered to the alternatives. You see it time and again, managers select players over and over until they are sacked and a new man comes in and that seemingly essential player becomes a bit part player under the new man. If they were essential because of deficiencies in the squad they would still be essential under a new manager, no?
Neville was Moyes' voice on the pitch. It would be Coleman this time if he was fit. It might be why he's keen to sign Soucek.
 

There is absolutely no reason we should be even consider retraining Harrison.

He just has not worked out at all, and truth be told he's often felt like a rip off, and we have had him on a free loan.

To go and spend actual money on him, and cover his massive wages would be utterly ridiculous, and once again be a decision towards hampering our long term future.

There are no viable reasons for keeping him.

No regular goals, no regular assists, his take ones are poor, deliveries poor to inconsistent,

We cannot afford this line of thinking, just because we have a lot going out doesn't mean retain bad players.
I don’t disagree in principle.

However, it all depends on what Leeds would want for a fee and what Harrison would want as wages.

If MLS teams are the only other option then it’s unlikely they would pay much in terms of a transfer fee so £5m might get him out of Leeds. In terms of wages, if we could get him for £50k a week which is average wage for PL players these days then it’s not a bad deal considering he can play multiple positions and we need a lot of squad depth. He isn’t a starter for sure but as a bench option I wouldn’t be against it
 

That's what I meant by his proxy. It's not a good enough reason to select a player who is not contributing in more immediate ways.
I get what you mean but favourite probably isn't the right word for that type of thing. I think sometimes you get this idea put forward that 'favourites' get picked effectively just because the manager likes them and they aren't offering anything that the manager should value, it's just nepotism. What you're talking about is basically a manager picking someone because they believe a skill/strength that the player has does add value, it's just that we don't agree.
 
I get what you mean but favourite probably isn't the right word for that type of thing. I think sometimes you get this idea put forward that 'favourites' get picked effectively just because the manager likes them and they aren't offering anything that the manager should value, it's just nepotism. What you're talking about is basically a manager picking someone because they believe a skill/strength that the player has does add value, it's just that we don't agree.
Possibly, I think some managers, certainly not all managers, like having a "lieutenant" on the pitch, even if that means playing a less able player. I'm not a fan of this approach, it seems to me that the very top managers don't do this. I would always play my best 11 in a footballing sense. A manager should be able to convey their instructions, explain their plan and drill the players in training without having someone on the pitch constantly coaching them. It's all opinions, however.
 
Possibly, I think some managers, certainly not all managers, like having a "lieutenant" on the pitch, even if that means playing a less able player. I'm not a fan of this approach, it seems to me that the very top managers don't do this. I would always play my best 11 in a footballing sense. A manager should be able to convey their instructions, explain their plan and drill the players in training without having someone on the pitch constantly coaching them. It's all opinions, however.
Yeah it’s a fair point. I’ve said before, I know a player who played under Moyes and he’s always said the one thing Moyes valued over anything was your ability/willingness to follow instructions. I would guess that he’s not the only manager like that, and you’re also going to get really prosaic stuff like wanting a physical presence/left footer/more pace kind of thing where it’s not the player themselves that’s important but what it is that they offer to the team. Generally the players we call favourites are the boring ones where what they bring to the side isn’t as obvious as it is for the more exciting ones (people didn’t complain about digne or james being favourites when they were out of form for example, in the way that they would about doucoure or Harrison).
 
If Harrison resigns and takes a pay cut from 90 to 45 a week, will he be able to maintain his haircut game? Genuinely concerned for him.
 
Yeah it’s a fair point. I’ve said before, I know a player who played under Moyes and he’s always said the one thing Moyes valued over anything was your ability/willingness to follow instructions. I would guess that he’s not the only manager like that, and you’re also going to get really prosaic stuff like wanting a physical presence/left footer/more pace kind of thing where it’s not the player themselves that’s important but what it is that they offer to the team. Generally the players we call favourites are the boring ones where what they bring to the side isn’t as obvious as it is for the more exciting ones (people didn’t complain about digne or james being favourites when they were out of form for example, in the way that they would about doucoure or Harrison).
I guess what people mean as "favourites", it's certainly what I mean anyway, is a player who plays regularly but what they contribute to the team is rather intangible. They don't score or create many goals or they don't dominate physically or always seem to take up the right position as a defender. When Pickford or Branthwaite get picked every week in defense or James, as you pointed out, or Lukaku in attack get picked every week it's not a point of contention because the reasons are obvious. I understand that there are less obvious things that players do, for example there was a long period where I felt there wasn't much leadership on the pitch and, in my opinion, this was only resolved when we signed Tarkowski (people will say Coleman, and I'm sure he's a leader in the dressing room but, to me at least, he isn't assertive enough on the pitch with either the opposition or the officials), but clean sheets and goals are what win football matches and when it is not obvious what a player contributes in one or both of those areas it is reasonable for fans to question a managers motivations. Either way, and whatever nomenclature we want to use to describe them, there are players that managers play every game that fans cannot stand or understand.
 

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