Current Affairs Israel is an apartheid state

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Such a terrible situation.

Read a piece last night that highlights how difficult, and ultimately tragic this thing is going to continue to be for many years and decades ahead.

What is notable about Hamas’s statements—although unsurprising to long-term observers of the region—is that they failed to express gratitude to Putin for championing the cause of an independent Palestinian state. This omission has a simple explanation: an independent Palestinian state next to Israel is not, in fact, Hamas’s goal. Rather, Hamas is driven by the genocidal goal of destroying Israel and its Jews, and establishing a Palestinian state in its place—the real meaning of the slogan frequently chanted on American college campuses and at anti-Israel demonstrations elsewhere: “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free.”

Terrorism Instead of a Two-State Solution

Hamas’s actions on October 7 conveyed this point starkly. When Israelis withdrew from Gaza in 2005, the enclave was supposed to be a test run for a future independent Palestinian state living at peace with its Jewish neighbor. Hopes ran high that it would become something of a Dubai on the Mediterranean: tourists would flock to its beaches, and commerce would flow through a new deep-sea port. But a year later, Gazans elected Hamas, which imposed a ruthless totalitarian regime on it.

Over the next eighteen years, Hamas’s leaders enriched themselves from the hundreds of millions of dollars in foreign aid intended for civilian projects and used the cash to build military tunnels, acquire weapons, and turn Gaza into a launching pad for terror. Anyone who thought that Hamas had grown more pragmatic in recent years need only consider that the October 7 attack destroyed the very agricultural communities that used to employ some of the 17,000 Gazan workers who annually benefited from Israel’s special work permit program, earning on average six times what they could in Gaza. Clearly, Gazans will not work in Israel in the foreseeable future.

Nor has the Palestinian Authority, headed by Russia’s good friend Mahmoud Abbas (who defended his PhD dissertation equating Zionism with Nazism at the Moscow Institute of Oriental Studies in 1982), shown more interest in an independent Palestinian state coexisting next to the Jewish state. Abbas famously rejected an Israeli proposal that would have given Palestinians 94 percent of the West Bank territory. As Einat Wilf, the left-wing Israeli commentator on Palestinian issues and co-author of the bestselling The War of Return, put it, “Had [the Palestinian] cause been limited [to] goals like ‘ending the occupation,’ or ‘removing settlements’ or ‘creating an independent state,’ they would have fulfilled it long ago. But their cause has always been and remains to ensure that the Jews have no state in any part of the land,” leading them to miss one opportunity after another.
 
Awful this I wonder if the club will do anything? Minutes silence? Take both knees?


Personally I would keep politics and football separate, but since you lefties opened up that box for example, forcing people to take the knee, rainbows shoved up everyone’s asses then a precedent has been set.

What say you Jew / Israel hating lefties? Let me guess, you only want your agenda forced on us during sport?
Why are centrist so obsessed with sticking things up bums?

I apologise for making the assumption that you're a centrist. No way you'd be one of those far right nutjobs.
 
Such a terrible situation.

Read a piece last night that highlights how difficult, and ultimately tragic this thing is going to continue to be for many years and decades ahead.


Here is the 2017 Hamas policy statement.


16. Hamas confirms it's conflict is with the Zionist project not the Jews....


Zionism has been discussed in earnest since the 19th. Century amongst Jewish people. It is still being discussed with many Jewish people being anti Zionist.

The Soviet government from 1917 provided a functioning Jewish Automonois Oblast in the Far East of Russia, that Jewish people could come and go as they pleased, and live with other Jews, if they wanted to.
 
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I actually agree with your point that football has opened up pandoras box the last 10 or so years by introducing constant campaigns and politics. Footballs universality should be exactly that - and social issues very rarely are so.

There is a way to say things and you often come across as a right nob in this forum mate - the way you're carrying on it's only a matter of time before you're claiming you've been "censored" on here so a reminder;
  • If we find anyone who finds this forum a bit too much, they become high maintenance and generally not suitable for this forum, we'll revoke their access to the current affairs forum.
^ The above does, and has included people who constantly cry arse/whine about people saying things they don't like - but when I do click into here I'm always seeing you constantly snarling with a quick skim of your posts the last 10 pages or so show 95%+ in current affairs. You're very close to being considered not suitable for this forum - if you want to continue here, rein in being so antagonistic.

You can make a point without resorting to this;

I will try be more respectful in my discourse however it should be noted I generally treat people with the same respect they provide me with. If you have read through posts you must have seen the things I’ve been called etc.

The Israeli Everton fans that were killed by terrorists should be marked by the club given precedent. Or it just makes the club and this social justice warrior value system look hypocritical.

No surprise that nobody mentioned / thought about the victims. 80% of Muslims UK voted Labour. I wonder how that affects how the Labour voters on here thinks, given the media they consume and rife antisemitism in the Labour Party. I wonder if they ever thought beyond 1948? Maybe they should start at king David and move forward to the ottoman empire.

The antisemitism in this thread, from the title and beyond, is shocking and these lot would be frothing at the mouth with other forms of racism.
 
It’s a figure of speech like rammed down your throat. The one used is more appropriate, as the rainbow flag waving is more intrusive.




Calling out the Israel / antisemitic left makes a mask slip? What’s wrong with objecting to toxic politics rammed down everyone’s throat? And contrasting with double standards?

Funny how the anti racists are racists. There are even laws where people are hired based on race and sex. Which is what? Racist and sexist!!

When history looks back on you guys, you’re going to be classified as some of the worse scum that’s ever existed.
Take the advice of the mod don't wate your time arguing
The current affairs is an echo chamber of the usual suspects middle class 50+ aged men acting like young communists who jump on every current left wing thing very cringey but amusing
 
I will try be more respectful in my discourse however it should be noted I generally treat people with the same respect they provide me with. If you have read through posts you must have seen the things I’ve been called etc.

The Israeli Everton fans that were killed by terrorists should be marked by the club given precedent. Or it just makes the club and this social justice warrior value system look hypocritical.

No surprise that nobody mentioned / thought about the victims. 80% of Muslims UK voted Labour. I wonder how that affects how the Labour voters on here thinks, given the media they consume and rife antisemitism in the Labour Party. I wonder if they ever thought beyond 1948? Maybe they should start at king David and move forward to the ottoman empire.

The antisemitism in this thread, from the title and beyond, is shocking and these lot would be frothing at the mouth with other forms of racism.
These aren't serious words. They come very loaded with discrete islamophobia and RW viewpoints. Don't use Jewish lives to point score against working class, black lives, or other minority groups. I'm glad I only dipped into this thread.
Rest in Peace the beautiful blue Kutz family.
 
Thats absolutely horrible for those civilians. Hamas lighted the flame of war and now their own people suffer. But thats ok for them.
Israel has ordered evacuations. Not much else they can do when having to wage war against side that uses unconvential methods.
1. Palestinians live under constant threat of murder, harassment and displacement. No one justifies Hamas actions based on this provocation since Israel's formation.

2. Evacuations to where? This is in really bad faith. The only route our of Gaza was bombed when people tried to leave.

3. Unconventional methods- the state was literally formed by a terror group who's head became prime minister of Israel. 'Not much else' doesn't equal war crimes and collective punishment.

Love to know how if you were Palestinian, how you'd be in this situation, do you accept the situation, leave the area completely, or simply die?
 
I will try be more respectful in my discourse however it should be noted I generally treat people with the same respect they provide me with. If you have read through posts you must have seen the things I’ve been called etc.

I have mate.

But for whatever reason, you/your posts always seem right in the mix and get quite a few peoples backs up - doesn't mean they are right, or you're wrong - how people react to you is their problem - my suggestion to you is to post across the forum/not just this one, and try and retain composure in here.

Pull a few punches, consider whether you're being overly antagonistic to prove a point or what inevitably happens is I/mods eventually make a judgement call that you lose your rag too often/too emotive and not suited. Works both ways, plenty (including one last week who kept reporting your posts) have had their access revoked because they can't grasp this forum or won't accept we wont moderate this forum to their agenda.

The Israeli Everton fans that were killed by terrorists should be marked by the club given precedent. Or it just makes the club and this social justice warrior value system look hypocritical.

The club put it on their site/socials earlier.

No surprise that nobody mentioned / thought about the victims. 80% of Muslims UK voted Labour. I wonder how that affects how the Labour voters on here thinks, given the media they consume and rife antisemitism in the Labour Party. I wonder if they ever thought beyond 1948? Maybe they should start at king David and move forward to the ottoman empire.

The antisemitism in this thread, from the title and beyond, is shocking and these lot would be frothing at the mouth with other forms of racism.

The worlds full of hypocrisy - arguing whataboutery is tedious.

My own view is people are far too quick to condemn, and label and the consequence is it's very easy to be accused as being antisemite, xenophobe, racist, sexist and everything else nowadays.

A negative comment towards Israel is called out as antisemitic, and your comment towards rainbows was reported as homophobic.

We either try an buck the trend of digital platforms where everyone is always outraged in this little corner of the forum, or we lose it.

It's a little sub forum on an Everton forum - let's not lose the plot no matter the subject.
 
There will be time for that. But that comes after terrorists are put down. Situation is complicated and it obviously needs to be dealt with. Palestinians will eventually have elections and they will choose parliament that isnt founded on the cornerstone of hate. Thats a start. Only start possible.
WHAT!! Do you seriously believe that. They don't even have a legally recognised state to live in!!

Israel will not stop until all the Palestinians in Gaza are either removed or dead. They want rid of them ALL. Permanently.

If you think otherwise then Jesus Christ mate!!
 
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