Current Affairs Islamaphobia and Everton

[Bruce Wayne]

I was reading an article yesterday (https://www.economist.com/britain/2...oals-help-to-tackle-islamophobia-in-liverpool) that looked at new research into Islamaphobia in Britain, and specifically at whether high profile Muslims (Mo Salah in this instance) can help to dampen Islamaphobia.

They identified British followers of Manchester United, Manchester City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool and Everton (a Merseyside rival), and analysed 44,000 tweets that mentioned Muslims, Arabs or mosques. In the 14 months after Mr Salah’s transfer, 7.6% of Islam-related tweets by Liverpool fans had negative sentiments, about the same as the 7.3% during the previous three years. But the figure for Everton jumped from 18.6% to 21.3%; for the other teams it rose from 7.1% to 10.9%. Online Islamophobia in Liverpool seems to have been kept in check at a time when it was rising elsewhere. (The researchers found no sign that the broader increase was caused by jealous fans abusing Mr Salah.)

I don't know how robust the methodology of the research was, but given our personal experience with Steve0 on here, it was noticeable how high the figures were for Everton fans. Obviously you'd probably expect far more negative tweets towards Salah from Everton fans than from other clubs, but this seems to suggest a large number of them refer to his religion in a derogatory way.

Is this something to be worried about you reckon?

 

[zzr45]

I was reading an article yesterday (https://www.economist.com/britain/2...oals-help-to-tackle-islamophobia-in-liverpool) that looked at new research into Islamaphobia in Britain, and specifically at whether high profile Muslims (Mo Salah in this instance) can help to dampen Islamaphobia.



I don't know how robust the methodology of the research was, but given our personal experience with Steve0 on here, it was noticeable how high the figures were for Everton fans. Obviously you'd probably expect far more negative tweets towards Salah from Everton fans than from other clubs, but this seems to suggest a large number of them refer to his religion in a derogatory way.

Is this something to be worried about you reckon?

Scanning through the methodology for the way it was done, it has about as much value as a chocolate teapot.

Essentially it uses sentiment analysis based on words that are associated with Muslims. Now, sentiment analysis in itself is utter toss as it’s invariably done by crap software rather than by a person which cannot understand humour, subtlety etc. They’ve glossed over that a bit. They’ve also not included the trigger words that would of generated inclusion.

That’s a problem. As an example, one word that’s related to Muslims one would expect is ‘brown’. That’s great until you consider the amount of tweets about Bobby Brown shoes being useless. It’s little things like that.

Glancing through the entire paper it’s so badly strung together to create this image of Salah that it’s academic credibility is almost zero.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Scanning through the methodology for the way it was done, it has about as much value as a chocolate teapot.

Essentially it uses sentiment analysis based on words that are associated with Muslims. Now, sentiment analysis in itself is utter toss as it’s invariably done by crap software rather than by a person which cannot understand humour, subtlety etc. They’ve glossed over that a bit. They’ve also not included the trigger words that would of generated inclusion.

That’s a problem. As an example, one word that’s related to Muslims one would expect is ‘brown’. That’s great until you consider the amount of tweets about Bobby Brown shoes being useless. It’s little things like that.

Glancing through the entire paper it’s so badly strung together to create this image of Salah that it’s academic credibility is almost zero.

Have you got a link to the paper? I'd be interested to have a look.

 

[Kurt.]

Doesn’t help when @hktoffee keeps asking for the pope to call Ramadan every few days.

 

[orchard]

Doesn’t help when @hktoffee keeps asking for the pope to call Ramadan every few days.

Kinell, that must have been a few years ago now, haha

 

[zzr45]

Have you got a link to the paper? I'd be interested to have a look.

https://osf.io/preprints/socarxiv/eq8ca/

Weird mishmash of three studies. The first one is especially straw clutchy..

 

[Bruce Wayne]

https://osf.io/preprints/socarxiv/eq8ca/

Weird mishmash of three studies. The first one is especially straw clutchy..

Nice one, thanks.

 

[Billy Dean]

Has EFCNik started posting again?

 

[Deleted member 48881]

Steve0 was utter mental but an isolated personality here, as a Muslim myself (though a secular one, I don't practice), I find fellow Toffees sound on this.

 

[Seathestars]

Was watching the local news a few days ago. Muslim lad on there who was around 30, lived in Liverpool all his life and had never had one single experience of islamophobia in his life, nor did he know any other Muslims in the City who had.

But watching itv national news a few days ago it said Islamophobia incidents in Liverpool had dropped since Salah arrived, not quite sure what to make of that.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Was watching the local news a few days ago. Muslim lad on there who was around 30, lived in Liverpool all his life and had never had one single experience of islamophobia in his life, nor did he know any other Muslims in the City who had.

But watching itv national news a few days ago it said Islamophobia incidents in Liverpool had dropped since Salah arrived, not quite sure what to make of that.

Quite possible they were citing the same research as the Economist were.

 

[zzr45]

Was watching the local news a few days ago. Muslim lad on there who was around 30, lived in Liverpool all his life and had never had one single experience of islamophobia in his life, nor did he know any other Muslims in the City who had.

But watching itv national news a few days ago it said Islamophobia incidents in Liverpool had dropped since Salah arrived, not quite sure what to make of that.

The research made no distinction between Islamaphobic attacks and any other type of hate crime. In the same time arrests for drug dealing has gone up, so using the same logic, Salah has been responsible for an increase in drug dealing in Liverpool.

 

[LEONARD]

I will translate the jist of this article for you all.

LFC fans, tolerant, liberal, angelic, saints.

EFC fans, intolerant, bigoted, evil, racists.

 

[canuckblue]

Watch what happens when Salah leaves.

 

[roydo]

Was watching the local news a few days ago. Muslim lad on there who was around 30, lived in Liverpool all his life and had never had one single experience of islamophobia in his life, nor did he know any other Muslims in the City who had.

But watching itv national news a few days ago it said Islamophobia incidents in Liverpool had dropped since Salah arrived, not quite sure what to make of that.

Well the obvious conclusion would be that Islamaphobia incidents prior to Saint Mo were committed by supporters of the club he joined. But thats plainly not true.