Is Moshiri investing in the team?

[GwladysBlue]

So who did we sell to fund the Sigurdsson purchase then?

Hardly surprising is it that a billionaire accountant expects to get a return on his outlays?

I'm not saying he's investing in the team but to claim nothing has changed is patently untrue. Some people have short memories.

What aren't you understanding?

Moshiri expected Barkley to go for £35m and Niassé for £10m. Conveniently, that makes £45m. Wasn't that what we paid for Sigurdsson?

If his game was to have a return on his outlays, then fine. Don't mislead the supporters that he can turn us into contenders, though.

The man is an egotist, he's of David Gold's ilk. Going on Talksport and Sky talking bollocks about how he's doing this and that, throwing in £70m bids for defenders.

He's another snake that we have been landed with.

We should have known that Kenwright wasn't going to bring in anyone good. He is probably schooling Moshiri on how to milk the cow for all it is worth, afterall, he has been doing exactly that for 20 years.

 

[scratchnsurf]

What aren't you understanding?

Moshiri expected Barkley to go for £35m and Niassé for £10m. Conveniently, that makes £45m. Wasn't that what we paid for Sigurdsson?

If his game was to have a return on his outlays, then fine. Don't mislead the supporters that he can turn us into contenders, though.

The man is an egotist, he's of David Gold's ilk. Going on Talksport and Sky talking bollocks about how he's doing this and that, throwing in £70m bids for defenders.

He's another snake that we have been landed with.

We should have known that Kenwright wasn't going to bring in anyone good. He is probably schooling Moshiri on how to milk the cow for all it is worth, afterall, he has been doing exactly that for 20 years.

What I don't understand is how you can claim we are sell to buy, when we bought without selling and how you can claim nothing has changed, when they obviously have.

You can go on about what we should have expected to get for Barkley, Niasse or whoever else but the fact is we didn't sell them, didn't receive any money and yet still bought Sigurdsson.

Remember selling Arteta? Remember how that money was never seen again, let alone spent after the sale? Things have changed, just not as much or as quickly as people want.

 

[roydo]

Moshiri expected Barkley to go for £35m

Hang on, didnt you, or someone else, say that not turning up is why we didnt buy that striker from somewhere on TDD?

 

[Khalekan]

People have mentioned the point about Barkley being all but sold. The news coming out from Arsenal/Man City is that the same happened with Sanchez. The deal only didn't happen because Lemar didn't fancy Arsenal.

I make you spot on in the rest of that post but I want to discuss this bit.

Arsenal did the opposite of what we did with Lukaku and IMO they did what we should have done with him.

The minute Lemar pulled out Arsenal told Sanchez his move to City was off.

In other words, they were not selling their main man without a replacement.

IMO Lukaku should never have been sold when he was......the more one looks at it the madder that decision seems.

Why the haste?

Why not tell him we will do the deal when we sign a striker?

And if it takes a month or more.....be it so.

But if no suitable replacement is found, he stays for at least one more year.

Like Arsenal and Sanchez.

And sadly the only conclusion I can come to is we needed the dough in to fund the other purchases, none of which I would consider a potential replacement for an out and out striker.

And this is why I have gone from being an outright supporter of Moshiri to taking an altogether more sceptical approach to him this last couple days.

Yes, I am very much liking what is happening off the pitch.....the past seventy two hours of drunk driving, medical tests which may or may not have happened, David Goldesque phone calls to Jim White and a manager whom was fiddling on the golf course while Rome burned notwithstanding .....but ultimately I am more concerned with what happens on it.

And like most of us on here, I am at a loss as to how we are going to score goals

 

[Gladystweet]

Has he invested in the team? Yes.

Has he invested enough to please everyone? No

Maybe the question should be "Has he inversted as much as you'd like in the team"?

 

[roydo]

Arsenal did the opposite of what we did with Lukaku and IMO they did what we should have done with him.

The minute Lemar pulled out Arsenal told Sanchez his move to City was off.

In other words, they were not selling their main man without a replacement.

And I expect that if United came calling at 10.30pm on deadline day, we would have kept Rom as well.


The Rom deal was obviously lined up months ago, as was Rooney, and that meant we could have the ace start to the window cos we had the time to target specific players; the word at the time was that Koeman had spoken to Giroud, and the signs were positive. That didnt happen, obvs, and we were left scratching about for the next few weeks, which was bad news.

 

[GwladysBlue]

Hang on, didnt you, or someone else, say that not turning up is why we didnt buy that striker from somewhere on TDD?

Don't think that was me.

 

[GwladysBlue]

What I don't understand is how you can claim we are sell to buy, when we bought without selling and how you can claim nothing has changed, when they obviously have.

You can go on about what we should have expected to get for Barkley, Niasse or whoever else but the fact is we didn't sell them, didn't receive any money and yet still bought Sigurdsson.

Remember selling Arteta? Remember how that money was never seen again, let alone spent after the sale? Things have changed, just not as much or as quickly as people want.

This is going around in circles.

Here are the facts:

We accepted a £35m for Barkley
Niassé was in talks with Palace
We didn't have a bid in for any striker

Make of it what you will. All I'm seeing is Moshiri trying to recoup his (or the club's) outlay.

If you want to believe that things have changed, go ahead, but plenty of fans have solid grounds for concern here.

 

[Cardano]

Who mislead us in to that? If you believed a man worth less than £2bn could bankroll us to the extent of a Roman Abramovic or Sheikh Mansour then that's your own fault for being delusional. Just because the media write sensational headlines about a £100m Warchest doesn't mean it's the reality either.

The Stadium financing seems like an astute move which fits all parties and why should he be expected to pay for the Stadium out of his own money?

As for the spending, I too am disappointed we haven't got a striker in, and although it's better than nothing to have Jim White giving us bits of information, it doesn't seem very professional to me and Moshiri's interview the other day was frustrating. I think we've messed up by not finding any sort of reasonable replacement for Lukaku but I place as much blame, if not more, on Koeman and Walsh who have been given funds to buy players by Moshiri. They chose to spend it in other positions rather than on a replacement and I think that will hold us back at least until January, if not for the whole season.

A certain fella employed by this forum was pushing this agenda last summer. A fair few posters were banned for pointing out his rubbish would lead to disappointment and resentment from the fans towards the new owners.

 

[scratchnsurf]

This is going around in circles.

Here are the facts:

We accepted a £35m for Barkley
Niassé was in talks with Palace
We didn't have a bid in for any striker

Make of it what you will. All I'm seeing is Moshiri trying to recoup his (or the club's) outlay.

If you want to believe that things have changed, go ahead, but plenty of fans have solid grounds for concern here.

If we are going round in circles then that could be stopped if it could be explained how we are sell to buy, when we bought without selling. Or alternatively accepting the fact that we spent more money than we brought in so going by the most recent evidence, are actually not sell to buy.

 

[scratchnsurf]

A certain fella employed by this forum was pushing this agenda last summer. A fair few posters were banned for pointing out his rubbish would lead to disappointment and resentment from the fans towards the new owners.

I don't think this forum 'employs' anyone. Moderators are volunteers.

 

[GwladysBlue]

If we are going round in circles then that could be stopped if it could be explained how we are sell to buy, when we bought without selling. Or alternatively accepting the fact that we spent more money than we brought in so going by the most recent evidence, are actually not sell to buy.

Sigh...

You're clearly not willing to look at the bigger picture, are you?

 

[TraffordBlue]

Lukaku did an interview saying that he didn't believe Everton were an ambitious club.

Moshiri has failed to sell the vision to these players.

As I said above, he had two years to go, we could have sold him next season for around £60m, only we may have had CL it's his goals.

If Moshiri was serious about making us contenders, which he isn't, he would have kept Lukaku and invested £100m+ into the areas that needed strengthening.

As it stands, he failed to deliver the two players his manager said were critical to how our season goes.

We have another version of Kenwright, time to get your head out of the sand and accept it.

Lukaku does a lot of interviews, not all beneficial either. His big mouth has irritated previous clubs/managers including Mourinho when at Chelsea:

"Romelu likes to speak, He’s a young boy who likes to speak."

On the other hand I could equally point to several others all hailing the ambition of the club. Koeman, a man who has scored in European Cup finals so can't be dismissed as a nobody has repeatedly mentioned the ambition of the club, said this:

"If Everton is not a club with a lot of ambition I would not be manager."

A quote from Sigurdsson:

"This is an ambitious club and it is clear we are moving in a really good direction."

A quote from Pickford, one of England's best young talents:

"This is an exciting time for the club and for me, too, with the ambition being shown. I just want to be the best I can be to help."

Rooney:

"I firmly believe we have the potential to be a success in the league and there are the cup competitions. We're certainly capable of winning one of those cups."

So no, Moshiri has not failed to sell the vision to quite a few people, both young and old, about the ambition of the club.

 

[scratchnsurf]

Sigh...

You're clearly not willing to look at the bigger picture, are you?

Not as unwilling as you are to admit that perhaps we aren't sell to buy.

 

[GwladysBlue]

Lukaku does a lot of interviews, not all beneficial either. His big mouth has irritated previous clubs/managers including Mourinho when at Chelsea:

"Romelu likes to speak, He’s a young boy who likes to speak."

On the other hand I could equally point to several others all hailing the ambition of the club. Koeman, a man who has scored in European Cup finals so can't be dismissed as a nobody has repeatedly mentioned the ambition of the club, said this:

"If Everton is not a club with a lot of ambition I would not be manager."

A quote from Sigurdsson:

"This is an ambitious club and it is clear we are moving in a really good direction."

A quote from Pickford, one of England's best young talents:

"This is an exciting time for the club and for me, too, with the ambition being shown. I just want to be the best I can be to help."

Rooney:

"I firmly believe we have the potential to be a success in the league and there are the cup competitions. We're certainly capable of winning one of those cups."

So no, Moshiri has not failed to sell the vision to quite a few people, both young and old, about the ambition of the club.

Shock, new arrivals bigging up their new club.

Existing players who were deemed stars of the team were not sold the vision. Players in high demand.