Is it time for a new Captain?

[ToxtethBlue]

I think this is one of them times that we will never agree, but cahill is 10 times the player Osman is, which other midfielder has gotten 10 goals this season? and cahills been out for half them matches too.

Osman is technically alot better than Cahill and he also covers more ground per game. Either one would be the attacking midfielder alongside Carsley in the current team and to be honest I'd pick Osman. Osman is more creative and you would want a creative midfielder alongside a ball winner. Cahill isn't creative.

There also the fact that Cahill has never proved he can play in a four man midfield consistently. He's never done it for us. Osman has this season. He's played centrally all season.

Is Cahill a midfielder nowadays? The role he plays in the team is as a second striker. He doesn't have any defensive duties so really he's aloud alot more freedom to score goals than Osman, Pienaar, Fernandes, Arteta etc. So really he's scored 10 goals from a second striker role.

If we moved to a 4-4-2 formation and brought a striker in I'm sure they'd be able to manage more than 10 goals. If we stick to 4-5-1 then he's our key player if we don't then I think he's struggle to find a place.

 

[Neiler]

I would keep Neville, why change it?

We are clearly going to buy midfeilders this season so his starting berth will be at full-back and he is sound there!

He obviously does a terrific job of it as the manager has repeatedly come out and said, if hes Moyesey's choice he is mine!

 

[Sharpys top lip]

Neville is a good captain and a great leader.

He's lead us to 5th and 6th in his 2 seasons.

Could'nt agree more, why on earth would you want to change it.

I'd have jags as vice now thou. When neville does'nt play he can be in charge.

 

[CanadaToffee]

I would have said Cahill (and I still think that's a good shout). However I thought Neville was brilliant on Sunday both as a right-back and as a leader. So if we don't acquire a new starting right back for next season, then Neville it is (as long as he doesn't play in midfield).

 

[Rook]

Not the best player but Neville is a pretty classy captain. Granted this could be one reason why we didn't a penalty til like 30 min left in the prem.

Unfortately we don't have anyone dickish on the team that will intimidate refs and shove yellow and red cards back in the refs pocket.

 

[coyney]

I'm afraid he's not. Arteta, Pienaar and Osman are alot more important to us. Cahill only plays well when he has creativity behind him. I'll agree he does make the 4-5-1 happen but only if people provide for him and create space.

Cahill on his own is just a combative midfielder. A more attacking version of Carsley so to speak. He doesn't have any outstanding qualities bar aerial ability. He's not comfortable in a four man midfield either. He can do a job there and he gives you alot of energy but other than that not much.

If Moyes is looking at reverting to 4-4-2 and I've got a feeling he is then I can't see where Cahill fits in unless we buy a play maker and a defensive midfield rolled into one who would compliment him. If we go 4-5-1 then he's the main man.

Spot on mate as for captain it has to be a player that is always picked so I would go for Lescott.

 

[BINMAN]

I think this is one of them times that we will never agree, but cahill is 10 times the player Osman is, which other midfielder has gotten 10 goals this season? and cahills been out for half them matches too.

ronaldo lol

only 3 options for me lads.

Neville does a great job imo. hes passionate and gives 100%. he aint the best footballer in the world but he has experience, drive and determination and would do anything for our club even though we all know his heart is still down the road wi his brother. model professional? prob as close as we have especially for dealing with the media which is pretty important for a club captain

Yobo, our best defender. Yes Lescott scored a bag of goals, yes Jag had an awesome season, but being honest and thinkin about how many times his pace and general great defending ability has saved us says to me hes our best. leads his line well, does an excellent job for his country when he has the armband, just maybe not vocal enough.

Lescott, not yet. maybe after 4 seasons or so. let him focus on what hes doin

Cahill, not for me. let him focus on his fitness and his place in the side first. I agree with previous comments that he is probably our least 'footballing' midfielder if you look at osman, pienaar, arteta, fernandes, but none of them can do what tim does. let him put all his focus into scoring goals and punching flags.

dont think jag is ready yet but can see him in the dave watson captain role in our future.

i think neville is spot on, yobo 2nd and 3rd(only if he still here), Lee Carsley.

 

[Welton Toffee]

Neville is doing great imo

I see Cahill being captain somewhere down the line though.

 

[Great Dane]

Osman is technically alot better than Cahill and he also covers more ground per game. Either one would be the attacking midfielder alongside Carsley in the current team and to be honest I'd pick Osman. Osman is more creative and you would want a creative midfielder alongside a ball winner. Cahill isn't creative.

There also the fact that Cahill has never proved he can play in a four man midfield consistently. He's never done it for us. Osman has this season. He's played centrally all season.

Is Cahill a midfielder nowadays? The role he plays in the team is as a second striker. He doesn't have any defensive duties so really he's aloud alot more freedom to score goals than Osman, Pienaar, Fernandes, Arteta etc. So really he's scored 10 goals from a second striker role.

If we moved to a 4-4-2 formation and brought a striker in I'm sure they'd be able to manage more than 10 goals. If we stick to 4-5-1 then he's our key player if we don't then I think he's struggle to find a place.

Osman to me nowhere near the player that Cahill is.
When Cahill plays we have a fire in the team that Osman does not bring. When Cahill plays we have a superb goal scorer.
When Cahill plays we normally don't loose (to quote football365.com "Between October and March the Toffees went on a 19-game run in which they lost only two (to Arsenal and Manchester United), and all but one featured Cahill.")
When Cahill plays we have a drive that none of the other midfielders provide.

Those who say that he can't play in a 4-4-2 obviously has'nt seen when Australia plays - here he functions perfectly in a 4-4-2.

Regarding the captaincy for next season I would keep Neville as Club Captain (just like Weir was) but let Jags or Cahill be vice captain as they hopefully will play more games than Neville. Jags reminds me of Ratcliffe - not blessed with skill but pacey and a superb tackler - all-action style.

 

[ToxtethBlue]

Osman to me nowhere near the player that Cahill is.
When Cahill plays we have a fire in the team that Osman does not bring. When Cahill plays we have a superb goal scorer.
When Cahill plays we normally don't loose (to quote football365.com "Between October and March the Toffees went on a 19-game run in which they lost only two (to Arsenal and Manchester United), and all but one featured Cahill.")
When Cahill plays we have a drive that none of the other midfielders provide.

Those who say that he can't play in a 4-4-2 obviously has'nt seen when Australia plays - here he functions perfectly in a 4-4-2.

Regarding the captaincy for next season I would keep Neville as Club Captain (just like Weir was) but let Jags or Cahill be vice captain as they hopefully will play more games than Neville. Jags reminds me of Ratcliffe - not blessed with skill but pacey and a superb tackler - all-action style.

I'm not doubting Cahill importance in a 4-5-1 formation...........I'm doubting his value to us in a 4-4-2. W

 

[ToxtethBlue]

Osman to me nowhere near the player that Cahill is.
When Cahill plays we have a fire in the team that Osman does not bring. When Cahill plays we have a superb goal scorer.
When Cahill plays we normally don't loose (to quote football365.com "Between October and March the Toffees went on a 19-game run in which they lost only two (to Arsenal and Manchester United), and all but one featured Cahill.")
When Cahill plays we have a drive that none of the other midfielders provide.

Those who say that he can't play in a 4-4-2 obviously has'nt seen when Australia plays - here he functions perfectly in a 4-4-2.

Regarding the captaincy for next season I would keep Neville as Club Captain (just like Weir was) but let Jags or Cahill be vice captain as they hopefully will play more games than Neville. Jags reminds me of Ratcliffe - not blessed with skill but pacey and a superb tackler - all-action style.

I'm not doubting Cahill importance in a 4-5-1 formation...........I'm doubting his value to us in a 4-4-2. When Cahill plays in a four man midfield a lot of his deficiencies are shown up. His lack of disipline, his passing ability and his lack of creativity.

I don't really care how he plays for Australia. He could be the dogs bollocks in a four man midfield over there but for Everton I've seen him stuggle as many times as I've seen him play it effectively.

Osman has proven he can play in centre midfield for a full season and be effective. Cahill has never done that. Osman offers creativity to go alongside the ball winner (Carsley). If Cahill next to Carsley its more of a battling midfield than anything else and we need quality.

For Cahill to be really effective in a four man midfield he'd need the new defensive midfielder to be strong in the tackle, defensively sound, disiplined aswell as creative. Thats my opinion anyway. If we don't get that type of player then he's not the best option to have in the attacking role. Fernandes or Osman are.

 

[Great Dane]

I'm not doubting Cahill importance in a 4-5-1 formation...........I'm doubting his value to us in a 4-4-2. When Cahill plays in a four man midfield a lot of his deficiencies are shown up. His lack of disipline, his passing ability and his lack of creativity.

I don't really care how he plays for Australia. He could be the dogs bollocks in a four man midfield over there but for Everton I've seen him stuggle as many times as I've seen him play it effectively.

Osman has proven he can play in centre midfield for a full season and be effective. Cahill has never done that. Osman offers creativity to go alongside the ball winner (Carsley). If Cahill next to Carsley its more of a battling midfield than anything else and we need quality.

For Cahill to be really effective in a four man midfield he'd need the new defensive midfielder to be strong in the tackle, defensively sound, disiplined aswell as creative. Thats my opinion anyway. If we don't get that type of player then he's not the best option to have in the attacking role. Fernandes or Osman are.

I don't think that Osman is better than Cahill in a 4-4-2. He is better in a 4-5-1 as well. I like that Osman is a homegrown talent, but to me he is to small and is too easily taken out of the game. He ball control is great but IMO our play slows down when Osman gets the ball, something Cahill never does. Osman is a good replacement for Cahill as the second striker type role, but should never get the nod ahead of Cahill.