Initial 10, then reduced to 6 + 2 Point Deductions

[Saint Domingo]

‘No system will be perfect’ Richard Masters

Just funny though how all the systems benefit the same few clubs whereas the constraints in them always impact the rest.

There won’t be anything implemented that United Liverpool City Arsenal Chelsea and Spurs don’t want to keep their advantage.

 

[Nymzee]

‘No system will be perfect’ Richard Masters

Just funny though how all the systems benefit the same few clubs whereas the constraints in them always impact the rest.

There won’t be anything implemented that United Liverpool City Arsenal Chelsea and Spurs don’t want to keep their advantage.

The proposed UEFA system should, in theory, benefit anyone but you’d also probably find people trying to artificially inflate their revenue figures for it. Would certainly beat PSR anyway.

 

[Timbucktoo]

‘No system will be perfect’ Richard Masters

Just funny though how all the systems benefit the same few clubs whereas the constraints in them always impact the rest.

There won’t be anything implemented that United Liverpool City Arsenal Chelsea and Spurs don’t want to keep their advantage.

What`s the point in having any system to enforce financial fair play if you come down heavy on the likes of us for one rule breach, and then when you have serial offenders like City and Chelsea just giving two fingers to financial rules and just slap them with a fine, or in the PL City case just do sod all to punish them.

 

[Saint Domingo]

What`s the point in having any system to enforce financial fair play if you come down heavy on the likes of us for one rule breach, and then when you have serial offenders like City and Chelsea just giving two fingers to financial rules and just slap them with a fine, or in the PL City case just do sod all to punish them.

I don’t mind any system that would at least allow teams to get to the top table. The revenues of Villa Newcastle us Palace etc. are unlikely to ever be more than the sky six now but we need to get to a situation where the challenger clubs can still spend every season if they have the money and aren’t forced to sell their better players to the others. Villa and Newcastle both broke into the CL displacing Liverpool United and Spurs yet are now in a position where they can’t spend despite having rich owners and are selling players to these clubs and abroad just to comply with regulations. As a result Newcastle dropped back out for a season and Villa have missed out this year.

It’s not so much the delta between spending half a billion and spending 100 mill that’s a problem. We’ve all seen how the sky six can happily waste 100s of millions and not get any better. It’s the delta between teams that can spend 100s of millions and teams that can’t spend unless they sell their best players, that’s the absolute sickener.

I’d wager Newcastle and Villa would displace a few in the CL regularly if they could spend season on season and I’d like to think we’d start moving up as well. Once it’s a free for all where everyone has a billionaire owner and can spend we might get a competitive league again.

 

[Moomin]

‘No system will be perfect’ Richard Masters

Just funny though how all the systems benefit the same few clubs whereas the constraints in them always impact the rest.

There won’t be anything implemented that United Liverpool City Arsenal Chelsea and Spurs don’t want to keep their advantage.

We used to be in that big five that made the decisions of how the Premier League would be created and how we would take the bulk of the TV money from the other leagues.

 

[Saint Domingo]

We used to be in that big five that made the decisions of how the Premier League would be created and how we would take the bulk of the TV money from the other leagues.

And over 30 years on what does that have to do with anything? Limiting competition and consolidating wealth in a few clubs was bad then and it’s bad now.

 

[Moomin]

And over 30 years on what does that have to do with anything? Limiting competition and consolidating wealth in a few clubs was bad then and it’s bad now.

We created the beast for our own greed.

If it wasn't for bad ownership over the past 30 years we would still be eating at the top table.

 

[Saint Domingo]

We created the beast for our own greed.

If it wasn't for bad ownership over the past 30 years we would still be eating at the top table.

Which would be wrong. You can’t have a competition of 20 teams that only two or three teams can win before a ball has even been kicked. In all the years of the PL only 7 teams have won it and two of those were Blackburn and Leicester with one off wins. It’s been going for over 30 years. The ‘competition’ will just eat itself if it doesn’t become more competitive. Serie A La Liga and the SPL should serve as warnings to the Prem of what happens when the gap between the haves and the have nots becomes too big. The PL has survived because it has 6 haves in their league rather than 2 but it’s no surprise that US sports are gaining in popularity in this country now where even the worse teams know they’re never far away from turning to being competitive. There’s some teams who play in the premier league who know they will most likely never ever in their entire existence win the PL. There’s other teams who know no matter how much they mess up they’ll probably pick up another one at some point soon. It shouldn’t be that way.

 

[greener]

Which would be wrong. You can’t have a competition of 20 teams that only two or three teams can win before a ball has even been kicked. In all the years of the PL only 7 teams have won it and two of those were Blackburn and Leicester with one off wins. It’s been going for over 30 years. The ‘competition’ will just eat itself if it doesn’t become more competitive. Serie A La Liga and the SPL should serve as warnings to the Prem of what happens when the gap between the haves and the have nots becomes too big. The PL has survived because it has 6 haves in their league rather than 2 but it’s no surprise that US sports are gaining in popularity in this country now where even the worse teams know they’re never far away from turning to being competitive. There’s some teams who play in the premier league who know they will most likely never ever in their entire existence win the PL. There’s other teams who know no matter how much they mess up they’ll probably pick up another one at some point soon. It shouldn’t be that way.

I'm looking forward to the introduction of a mid season split like the SPL so all the important teams get to play each other more while the lesser clubs sort out who's going down.

Fantastic time to be alive.

 

[Saint Domingo]

I'm looking forward to the introduction of a mid season split like the SPL so all the important teams get to play each other more while the lesser clubs sort out who's going down.

Fantastic time to be alive.

I honestly wish they’d just gone during the super league. We could have Liverpool v Real Madrid 6 times a season with no winners or losers (can’t have any of them ‘losing’ obviously). Then the rest of us could have got on with some real football. The entire world would then have watched a PL where every team fancied their chances, it would be the most exciting in decades.

Unfortunately those clubs realised that quickly enough and whilst they were all up in arms about that they’ve now happily moved on to pre-ordained league cup draws, ever expanding champions league format, no doubt we’ll be having games played abroad, the summer series/club World Cup will get even bigger, and like you I’m amazed we haven’t yet moved to a post season play off so that even if their cash cows finish in 6th they’ve still got a chance to win the whole thing. Second legs at Anfield and Old Trafford of course.

 

[Moomin]

Which would be wrong. You can’t have a competition of 20 teams that only two or three teams can win before a ball has even been kicked. In all the years of the PL only 7 teams have won it and two of those were Blackburn and Leicester with one off wins. It’s been going for over 30 years. The ‘competition’ will just eat itself if it doesn’t become more competitive. Serie A La Liga and the SPL should serve as warnings to the Prem of what happens when the gap between the haves and the have nots becomes too big. The PL has survived because it has 6 haves in their league rather than 2 but it’s no surprise that US sports are gaining in popularity in this country now where even the worse teams know they’re never far away from turning to being competitive. There’s some teams who play in the premier league who know they will most likely never ever in their entire existence win the PL. There’s other teams who know no matter how much they mess up they’ll probably pick up another one at some point soon. It shouldn’t be that way.

Blackburn won the premier league because Jack Walker pumped millions into the club.

You're right about the American sports. I get more enjoyment in recent years watching the NFL. It's a fairly level playing field with the salary cap and everything is split evenly between the teams.

You can easily go from the worst team and then getting the first pick of the draft and getting a generational talent to change your fortunes. You can't say the same about the Premier League

 

[Drico]

‘No system will be perfect’ Richard Masters

Just funny though how all the systems benefit the same few clubs whereas the constraints in them always impact the rest.

There won’t be anything implemented that United Liverpool City Arsenal Chelsea and Spurs don’t want to keep their advantage.

That's the point which Masters - interviewed by Liverpool and Manchester United before appointment - fails to get. Because he has no interest in getting it. He is their representative, their shield.

Nobody expects a perfect system. But if it was merely an unfortunate accident that the current system was imperfect, it would have just as likely snared a United or Chelsea by now as it has an Everton or Forest.

These "imperfect" rules seem to perfectly impact the non-Sky Six and nobody else.

 

[RomanReigns]

 

[windymiller]

Of course they will, it restricts their earning potential. I think there is an approximately 0.00001% chance we get a salary cap, I'm incredibly surprised that the PL are proposing one, tbh. The reason the PL is the best league in the world is exactly the same reason that the Italian league was the best in the world in the 90s, and it's because everyone was allowed to spend money like a drunken sailor. The more money you pay the better players you get, it's why so many players have accepted the "new challenge" of playing in front of 500 spectators in Saudi Arabia.

 

[OneTrueLegend]

reading this article earlier about the Squad Cost Ratio's (SCR) stating that 85% can be spent on player costs (Transfer fees and wages), but that sanctions would not be imposed unless a club exceeded 115% and even then it would be a fine!

So really the line is not at 85%, its at 115% isnt it? And clubs will play up to that line, there will be some that are happy to go over that line if all they face is a fine.

If you look at our data, the 23/24 accounts state that we brought in £186.9 million.
I would like to think this is going to be more this season, based on the new stadium and new commercial deals, but based on this we could spend just under £158.9m on wages and transfers. Our wage bill for 23/24 was £71.7m, which would leave £87.2m on transfers and new players wages. Remembering that transfer fees are spread over a maximum of 5 years, which means that the club could sign players worth much higher than that amount overall.

if we were going up to the 115% line though we would be looking at £214.9m as potential spend and £143m on transfers and new wages.

The worrying thing about the proposed changes is it will just have a "prune juice" effect on the league overall. So players that are valued at £25m today, just become £50m player and players who are on £80k a week to £150k