Improvements

[thebluenosebolt]

I picked keane firstly as I stupidly saw the thread title and presumed it was meaning, the players who have improved. Ok has to be Walcott at the moment but these things are transient, One week it could be Walcott, the next....Walcott.

 

[bol-uk]

We shouldn't have signed richarlison by that logic then?

The manager had worked with him and obviously really rated him, and he had also been a good player at fluminese. Hardly the same as Bissaka.

 

[bluestevon]

Soz he hasn't won the league and world cup yet

Can see watching him he's going to be quality. Been very good every time I've seen him. He's young and is a modern day full back

Richarlison only had a hand full if good games for Watford and he's one of our best players.

Micah Richards says hi.

 

[evertonarntwe]

Nope by and large he's been poor compared to the standards he's set himself, but it's amusing seeing people advocating getting rid and replacing him with a 20yo lad whose played about a dozen games in this league but is the current flavour of the month.

Do I think that Coleman at 29/30 and with the type of condition he keeps himself in is finished - no, I think just maybe after snapping your leg it takes time to get back to your former levels, I also think that anyone thinking the palace lad improves our starting 11 is mental.

Lets get this straight here. He's been back a year now... as bad as the injury was it's been a year it doesn't take a year to get yourself back to s high level. Has it not occurred maybe the injury has just effected him and he won't reach that level again ( not saying he won't but it's possible ) how long are we waiting for him to get back? How many poor games are we going to let him off with because he "used to be boss"? I love Coleman as much as the next guy and a fully functional Coleman makes us a lot better but I'm not buying the he's not fully fit after a year shouts

Micah Richards says hi.

Errr sound mate ye

 

[TheVelourFog]

think we only really need a backup/replacement for Walcott

seem a bit lite on right sided players

 

[Papa Shango]

I have picked nobody, I want to see how this team pans out first.

Interesting that people are saying we need a striker when technically we don't actually play with one...loads of teams elect not to have an out and out striker.

 

[blulouie]

Lets get this straight here. He's been back a year now... as bad as the injury was it's been a year it doesn't take a year to get yourself back to s high level. Has it not occurred maybe the injury has just effected him and he won't reach that level again ( not saying he won't but it's possible ) how long are we waiting for him to get back? How many poor games are we going to let him off with because he "used to be boss"? I love Coleman as much as the next guy and a fully functional Coleman makes us a lot better but I'm not buying the he's not fully fit after a year shouts




Errr sound mate ye

Christ .....He's had 5 games back from another bad injury , stress fracture in the foot.

Last couple of those games he's getting back to his usual self.
Hazard actually switched wings today as he got no joy v Coleman.
Seamus is still one of the best around.

 

[BernieH]

Tough gig this one, I'd rather add to than replace at this stage I think, I think everyone is playing decent enough. I did miss yesterday so thats not in my thinking.

 

[BlueToff]

Lets get this straight here. He's been back a year now... as bad as the injury was it's been a year it doesn't take a year to get yourself back to s high level. Has it not occurred maybe the injury has just effected him and he won't reach that level again ( not saying he won't but it's possible ) how long are we waiting for him to get back? How many poor games are we going to let him off with because he "used to be boss"? I love Coleman as much as the next guy and a fully functional Coleman makes us a lot better but I'm not buying the he's not fully fit after a year shouts




Errr sound mate ye

Do you understand the word context?

It's not a year, though.

For one, it was January, and then he had to have a few games out after his initial comeback.

Then he came in and was in-and-out of the side as his fitness built up. I should add, a side playing the worst football seen in some years at Everton under a terrible manager. Then it was the end of the season. He had 12 games last season, that is nothing.

So, pre-season, start all again under a new manager. Gets going in the first few games with all of the players still adapting to a new system of play. The guy had four games and apart from a few iffy moments v Bournemouth, was pretty consistent. Not at his sharpest but nobody is at that stage in the season.

Then he breaks his foot. He's come back from that injury and played two games straight away against two of the best wingers in the league (Zaha and Martial). He was exposed if isolated one-on-one but the main problem was his attacking play. He himself has acknowledged that. However, that's more to do with a player clearly still working his way back from another injury, because the issue seemed to be him not trusting himself to be able to get back.

He was ace against Brighton and yesterday he helped keep the best player in the league quiet. In fact, the only time Hazard got any joy was when he moved central so Coleman wasn't marking him.

 

[evertonarntwe]

Do you understand the word context?

It's not a year, though.

For one, it was January, and then he had to have a few games out after his initial comeback.

Then he came in and was in-and-out of the side as his fitness built up. I should add, a side playing the worst football seen in some years at Everton under a terrible manager. Then it was the end of the season. He had 12 games last season, that is nothing.

So, pre-season, start all again under a new manager. Gets going in the first few games with all of the players still adapting to a new system of play. The guy had four games and apart from a few iffy moments v Bournemouth, was pretty consistent. Not at his sharpest but nobody is at that stage in the season.

Then he breaks his foot. He's come back from that injury and played two games straight away against two of the best wingers in the league (Zaha and Martial). He was exposed if isolated one-on-one but the main problem was his attacking play. He himself has acknowledged that. However, that's more to do with a player clearly still working his way back from another injury, because the issue seemed to be him not trusting himself to be able to get back.

He was ace against Brighton and yesterday he helped keep the best player in the league quiet. In fact, the only time Hazard got any joy was when he moved central so Coleman wasn't marking him.

what has a new manager or playing bad football got to do with building fitness up? what are you even chatting?

your using pre-season as an excuse for someone to not get fit? mate that's the whole purpose behind it

was he ace against brighton though? he had a good game no better or worse than anyone ( was barely tested lets get that out there )
he's certainly been better last couple of games AND AS I SAID a fully fit functionial coleman benefits us all, but he's been back NEARLY year now and he's hasn't looked the same

lets hope he does get back to his self, but being brutally honest was he that good season before last season before his injury? he hasn't been boss for a couple of years now, he's always remained steady

but as the whole purpose of this topic is who needs to be upgraded and were going on "current form" than it would be coleman

it's like this topic coming out last year and people saying baines ( he was replaced ) and people like you BUT HE WAS BOSS IN 2011 WHEN HE GOT DEM 8 ASSISTS

 

[bluestevon]

Lets get this straight here. He's been back a year now... as bad as the injury was it's been a year it doesn't take a year to get yourself back to s high level. Has it not occurred maybe the injury has just effected him and he won't reach that level again ( not saying he won't but it's possible ) how long are we waiting for him to get back? How many poor games are we going to let him off with because he "used to be boss"? I love Coleman as much as the next guy and a fully functional Coleman makes us a lot better but I'm not buying the he's not fully fit after a year shouts




Errr sound mate ye

Ok mate, it doesn't take a year to return to the previous level, in the NFL for example it's the widely held view after a cruciate injury for example it does take a season after returning before a recovery of prior firm can be expected.

Funnily enough though, the likes of Reid and gray never would have been at this club with the mentality kits are having a out Coleman.

We also would have gotten rid of jagielka after his first knee injury etc as his form for the next season once he came back was poor.

 

[evertonarntwe]

Ok mate, it doesn't take a year to return to the previous level, in the NFL for example it's the widely held view after a cruciate injury for example it does take a season after returning before a recovery of prior firm can be expected.

Funnily enough though, the likes of Reid and gray never would have been at this club with the mentality kits are having a out Coleman.

We also would have gotten rid of jagielka after his first knee injury etc as his form for the next season once he came back was poor.

never watched the NFL and know nothing about it so can't relate to that to be fair

im not saying coleman is finished, hopefully he's not and he's gets himself back to what he was, but for whatever reason he hasn't been the same for a couple of years ( even before his leg break )

hopefully now he's settled and we have a manager who will hopefully be here for a while he can get himself going again

just don't buy the match fit excuse

 

[BlueToff]

what has a new manager or playing bad football got to do with building fitness up? what are you even chatting?

your using pre-season as an excuse for someone to not get fit? mate that's the whole purpose behind it

was he ace against brighton though? he had a good game no better or worse than anyone ( was barely tested lets get that out there )
he's certainly been better last couple of games AND AS I SAID a fully fit functionial coleman benefits us all, but he's been back NEARLY year now and he's hasn't looked the same

lets hope he does get back to his self, but being brutally honest was he that good season before last season before his injury? he hasn't been boss for a couple of years now, he's always remained steady

but as the whole purpose of this topic is who needs to be upgraded and were going on "current form" than it would be coleman

it's like this topic coming out last year and people saying baines ( he was replaced ) and people like you BUT HE WAS BOSS IN 2011 WHEN HE GOT DEM 8 ASSISTS

The manager playing poor football isn't to do with fitness entirely, but it goes some way towards Seamus not exactly excelling in an attacking sense as well. He wasn't told to get forward. He was told to sit back and defend (which ironically has never been his strongest facet).

No, I'm not using pre-season as an excuse at all. I'm saying it was a time when he was getting fit while getting accustomed to a new manager. But if you know anything about football you'll understand that players don't get sharp in pre-season. They get properly sharp/match fit in the first few games of the season proper. Pre-season is there to build up fitness at a base level and build from there (we saw how much this impacted Gylfi for example when he was playing catch up last season).

Yes, he was very good against Brighton. He attacked with a lot more conviction and when needed, defended well.

And yes, he was good in the season before his injury. If you think back, he got injured at the end of Martinez's last season, and only came back around September IIRC in Koeman's first season. Took him a bit of time to pick up that sharpness again, as it would, and then he was playing exceptionally well from December through to his injury.

It has got nothing to do with sentiment. He's just a good player who is far from finished, and you haven't taken any context into account.

He has played 20 games of football in 18 months. That is nothing. There have been injuries in between those games. He now should be fully fit and I think we're seeing that. It's not about keeping the levels up, and those levels have been fine in the last two games.

You're now advocating signing a player who has approximately 15 appearances to his name, and saying you can guarantee he'd be a success. He's not infallible. He looks a good young player but he's made a fair few errors already this season, as all young players do.

 

[BlueToff]

never watched the NFL and know nothing about it so can't relate to that to be fair

im not saying coleman is finished, hopefully he's not and he's gets himself back to what he was, but for whatever reason he hasn't been the same for a couple of years ( even before his leg break )

hopefully now he's settled and we have a manager who will hopefully be here for a while he can get himself going again

just don't buy the match fit excuse

How can you not buy the FACT that he has not strung together more than a run of 5-6 games at a time though (which is something Seamus himself has said he needs to do to keep it up).

As I've said, he now needs to stay fit (God forbid Ireland do something to change that) and have a run of 10-12 games playing in a settled side. If he is struggling (which apart from TWO games this season he hasn't been anyway) then I'm sure we'll be looking at alternative options moving forward. But the need isn't urgent, and I certainly don't think a player who has played a handful of PL games is definitely the answer either. Ina bout 7 games last season around Christmas, Kenny was as equally impressive as AWB has been so far this season, for example.

 

[evertonarntwe]

How can you not buy the FACT that he has not strung together more than a run of 5-6 games at a time though (which is something Seamus himself has said he needs to do to keep it up).

As I've said, he now needs to stay fit (God forbid Ireland do something to change that) and have a run of 10-12 games playing in a settled side. If he is struggling (which apart from TWO games this season he hasn't been anyway) then I'm sure we'll be looking at alternative options moving forward. But the need isn't urgent, and I certainly don't think a player who has played a handful of PL games is definitely the answer either. Ina bout 7 games last season around Christmas, Kenny was as equally impressive as AWB has been so far this season, for example.

who said it was urgent, you are missing the point and keep getting yourself very angry mate

someone posted a topic, who WOULD be next to be upgraded, wan-bissaka is all potential at the moment correct but he would be a great upgrade WHEN THE TIME IS RIGHT

the topic thread isn't who would you bin in January and who would you get, stop getting your knickers in a twist