2017/18 Idrissa Gueye

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Let's look at each goal and see how this stacks up...

1st goal:
Neither Gana nor Schneiderlin does anything wrong. Gana holds his space on the left edge of the box, Schneiderlin tracks Mkhitaryan's run to the point that it should have become Williams' or Martina's responsibility, and then tries to pull back into position.
Williams literally stands in no man's land, and Martina doesn't push across to the free Mkhitaryan, who then gets the ball. Mangala makes a crazy move away from his man Ramsey towards the near post already being guarded by Williams, and he then proceeds to fluff a fairly routine clearance. The fault lies with Mangala, Williams and Martina.

2nd goal:
Corner. Gana asked to stand on the intersection of the 18 yard box and by-line in case the cross is low. Nothing to do with him. Not going to bother analysing the car crash defending in the 6 yard box, but fault lies with all centre backs.

3rd goal:
Schneiderlin holds his position and keeps Iwobi in front of him. Gana tracks his man, the most advanced Arsenal central midfielder Xhaka, into the box. Ramsey makes a late run from the centre circle, Bolasie is stood 5m to Ramsey's right and just jogging back to the side instead of identifying the danger and busting a gut to get to Ramsey. Again not Gana or Schneiderlin's fault.

4th goal:
Gana holds his position and keeps Iwobi in front of him. Schneiderlin completely loses concentration and let's Mkhitaryan get goal side of him, you can see he realises too late and tries to make a late move but the cause is well and truly lost by then. Aubameyang is then offside so goal shouldn't have stood anyway, but blame lies with Schneiderlin entirely.

5th goal:
Gana does not close the gap to Ramsey so blame can be laid at his feet here, however at the same time DCL makes a crazy sliding effort to stop the ball going out 10m from the by-line which nobody in the entire stadium expected. From that point the ball was literally in the back of the net 3 seconds later.

So of the 5 goals, Gana can fairly accept some blame for the last goal, but no issues whatsoever with his defending for any of the others.

I encourage you to watch a replay of the goals again to see if my analysis above is fair or otherwise.


Anyway, I find it interesting that the gist of comments after the last game was "When this guy doesn't play with Sigurdsson he is excellent, and the team is better, but when they play together they both suck, as does the whole team." Then that very thing unfolded a couple of days later and it seems to have once again surprised some.

Just play Gana - Davies - Rooney in the middle and be done with it. Everton have not dropped a single point when those 3 have made up the central midfield.




This is a Bed Wetters forum for Bed Wetters!

We'll have none of your common sense analysis here!!
 
I like Gana but he is a bit of a ball chaser which can leave voids that better teams exploit. He needs to hold his position a bit more. Saying that, it is also the job of other players to see him out of position and cover.
 
Unpopular opinion: he isn’t very good and we massively overrated him.
I’ve said this all season, but got shot down on here a few weeks ago. If we concede its the defenders or schneiderlin’s fault.

I’d we don’t create chances it’s the attacking players fault. As long as he runs around putting tackles in. Which he didn’t do on Saturday, winning the ball back, he’s done his job apparently, doesn’t even have to find a blue shirt half the time.

Our midfield is atrocious, worst it’s been in years, look at spurs yesterday, dembele run the game, gave the Liverpool midfield a lessson. Let’s hope a new manager will targe 2 new midfielders and shift out the garbage.
 
Still no new contract.

Probably wants out like everyone else.
Why should he get a new contract. He must be nearly 29 and have 3yrs left. He’s not good enough to want more. Everton the club that burn money. Like when we give Kevin Campbell a new 5yr deal at 30. And he was done 2 yrs later. Martínez got a new deal after his 1st season. Ridiculous when will we learn. I’d gana wants more money I would so him the door. Easily replaceable.
 
Joey Barton seems to love him:

Idrissa Gueye. Remember when kids were on the playground and they all chase after the ball, and then somebody runs off because a crisp packet blows across the playground and he’s brain-dead? That’s Gueye. I think Schneiderlin is terrible, but it doesn’t help having him alongside him because the amount of times he vacates the middle of the park,” Barton raged.
lol
 
He needs someone beside him to take the pressure off in terms of distribution. He is technically appalling and his passing is extremely mediocre. He works well with Davies and Rooney. But it never works with chief FRAUD Morgan Schneiderlin. He hasn't the discipline to play alongside someone so out of form and half arsed.
 
He's very good at pressing, hassling and tackling but he works better in a three because he vacates space and offers little on the ball. Joey Barton criticising him this morning for chasing crisp packets.
 
Solid against Leicester where his role was very simple - sit in and break up play and when you get the ball give it to the players who can do something with it. Saturday he was absolutely abysmal, no discipline, him and Morgan are an absolute joke together and I don't know how many more games a manager is going to out these w together until they realise they offer absolutely zilch as a partnership.
 
Let's look at each goal and see how this stacks up...

1st goal:
Neither Gana nor Schneiderlin does anything wrong. Gana holds his space on the left edge of the box, Schneiderlin tracks Mkhitaryan's run to the point that it should have become Williams' or Martina's responsibility, and then tries to pull back into position.
Williams literally stands in no man's land, and Martina doesn't push across to the free Mkhitaryan, who then gets the ball. Mangala makes a crazy move away from his man Ramsey towards the near post already being guarded by Williams, and he then proceeds to fluff a fairly routine clearance. The fault lies with Mangala, Williams and Martina.

2nd goal:
Corner. Gana asked to stand on the intersection of the 18 yard box and by-line in case the cross is low. Nothing to do with him. Not going to bother analysing the car crash defending in the 6 yard box, but fault lies with all centre backs.

3rd goal:
Schneiderlin holds his position and keeps Iwobi in front of him. Gana tracks his man, the most advanced Arsenal central midfielder Xhaka, into the box. Ramsey makes a late run from the centre circle, Bolasie is stood 5m to Ramsey's right and just jogging back to the side instead of identifying the danger and busting a gut to get to Ramsey. Again not Gana or Schneiderlin's fault.

4th goal:
Gana holds his position and keeps Iwobi in front of him. Schneiderlin completely loses concentration and let's Mkhitaryan get goal side of him, you can see he realises too late and tries to make a late move but the cause is well and truly lost by then. Aubameyang is then offside so goal shouldn't have stood anyway, but blame lies with Schneiderlin entirely.

5th goal:
Gana does not close the gap to Ramsey so blame can be laid at his feet here, however at the same time DCL makes a crazy sliding effort to stop the ball going out 10m from the by-line which nobody in the entire stadium expected. From that point the ball was literally in the back of the net 3 seconds later.

So of the 5 goals, Gana can fairly accept some blame for the last goal, but no issues whatsoever with his defending for any of the others.

I encourage you to watch a replay of the goals again to see if my analysis above is fair or otherwise.


Anyway, I find it interesting that the gist of comments after the last game was "When this guy doesn't play with Sigurdsson he is excellent, and the team is better, but when they play together they both suck, as does the whole team." Then that very thing unfolded a couple of days later and it seems to have once again surprised some.

Just play Gana - Davies - Rooney in the middle and be done with it. Everton have not dropped a single point when those 3 have made up the central midfield.

Agree that's our best midfield balance right now. Our best performances against West Ham and Leicester have had this combination with Sig off the left. Why managers persist in chopping and changing is beyond me. Morgan hasn't deserved the shirt all season, he's a disgrace.
 
I feel like there's a lot of people here who don't understand that players need to complement each other, and you need a balanced team for players to be effective.

Gueye is good at what he does (covering a lot of ground, tackling, passing the ball simply and carrying the ball forward) but he needs the right players next to him for this to be effective for the team. In the right team, he's a very good player, and we've seen that, but in the wrong set up his limitations come back to haunt us. Is he the best midfielder in the league? Not by a long shot. Is he in any way one of our biggest problems? Not by an even longer shot.

The same things apply to a number of our players, it's not that they're bad players in their own right, but they don't fit into the style of play we employ, and struggle to impress because of the things that are lacking around them. If we'd had Sigurdsson last season, playing with Lukaku and Barkley, I reckon he'd have really impressed because of the space they'd have created for him and the runs being made. With the players in the current side though, he's being asked to be much more of a creator, and he just hasn't got the tools to do it. We don't need to throw the baby out with the bathwater, we just need to bring in the right players in the right positions.
 
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