Confirmed Signing Idrissa Gueye

[john jako]

WTF is actually going on.

Country is on its ass and Everton going full on Everton and signing barks, Gana and any Burnley reject we can.

 

[sbbefc]

I don't think an Irish lad should be forced to wear a poppy, someone from a country where something is strictly illegal shouldn't be forced to wear a symbol showing defacto support from him for the opposite, a Russian player/or any shouldn't for example have to wear a symbol or publicly come out supporting Ukraine.

Keep politics outta sport, keep sports people as what they are, good at a game not some enlightened founts of knowledge to inform the plebs.

If they start piping up in public by all means slate them for whatever but until then it's actually just there opinion which kept to themselves is their right.

On to a loser it seems on this thread. People seem to be overwhelmingly in support of him coming to the club.

But being gay isn't a political choice. Its not politics. So it's not comparable. People are born gay whether some people like it or not. It's normal. So I don't get these comparisons. It's out right bigotry towards a large section of society. There are hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of poor souls in his own country that can't live the normal life they want to.

The fact that we're discussing it is a clear indication that his views are not private.

 

[AsiaAsia82]

WTF is actually going on.

Not sure, but I see the commonwealth games starts today - not sure how many countries are supporting the rainbow in that competition.
However Gueye shouldn’t be signed because he won’t wear a football shirt.

 

[ClausThomsen]

I don’t think it is, because that’s what it is. That’s what people are being asked to wear. I’m sorry, but that is the demand being placed on people.

Would you be okay with gays being forced to wear Christian costumes in Senegal?

Generally speaking that's a big part of being a professional footballer. Get's a bit confusing not wearing a specific costume unless you're playing shirts and skins. There is a demand to wear logos of alcoholic products, gambling firms and firms who practice exploitative financial products.

If a footballer refuses to play a match because there is pro LGBTQ+ on the back then fair enough. For me that's a clear lack of commitment to the club, their teammates, the supporters and a firm acknowledgement that they are all less important than that players homophobia, or alternatively, that player's massive crippling anxiety about wearing something they deem emasculating. An exclusively religious reason is demonstrably false given the players past acceptance and choice to move to a club wearing logos or symbols that are clearly Haram.

Either way for me it's a shirking of responsibility as a player and lack of commitment to the club that I'd prefer not to see encouraged.

It in no way equates to "gays being forced to wear Christian costumes in Senegal".

 

[Martin Alvito]

Country is on its ass and Everton going full on Everton and signing barks, Gana and any Burnley reject we can.

They're not Burnley rejects. They're rats disembarking the sunk ship.

Whether this is preferable to signing top 6 rejects or actual rats is open to debate.

 

[Connor]

I don't think an Irish lad should be forced to wear a poppy, someone from a country where something is strictly illegal shouldn't be forced to wear a symbol showing defacto support from him for the opposite, a Russian player/or any shouldn't for example have to wear a symbol or publicly come out supporting Ukraine.

Keep politics outta sport, keep sports people as what they are, good at a game not some enlightened founts of knowledge to inform the plebs.

If they start piping up in public by all means slate them for whatever but until then it's actually just there opinion which kept to themselves is their right.

We can't 'keep politics out of sport' because the two are woven into the fabric of each other.

We'll try to stop when there isn't a foodbank collection outside Goodison. Until then, the two co-exist whether people like it or not.

 

[Martin Alvito]

Generally speaking that's a big part of being a professional footballer. Get's a bit confusing not wearing a specific costume unless you're playing shirts and skins. There is a demand to wear logos of alcoholic products, gambling firms and firms who practice exploitative financial products.

The question that I have here is, "Should it be that way?" Should we condemn a player for standing up to that regime?

He may not have picked the best way to do that, but I for one tend to admire the principles of the stance rather than condemn them. You can fairly criticize that position as easy for me to take since I do not happen to be LGBTQ+.

Personally, I would prefer to see Carling, Stake, Angry Birds, Standard Chartered, rainbow flags, poppies, yellow ribbons and pink ribbons ALL removed from shirts. Club emblem, number, name. That's it. That's who a footballer is. Quit trying to force them to be anything else.

 

[ClausThomsen]

As dopey and backwards as his views are, I guarantee you there are loved players in our playing squad now or in the past who share the same if not even worse. Not just Muslim players but devout Christians too, it's not exclusive to Islam. If he can improve our midfield then his personal views are irrelevant in my eyes

Our manager who has massive backing from the fans is an openly proud Tory. What's the difference?

The difference is that Lampard, as far as I know, hasn't decided to be selective about when he is going to perform his job based on his reported political allegiances.

And the equating of that political allegiance or preference with overt homophobia is ridiculous. Others may share Gana's views on sexuality but as far as I am aware none have refused to play a match based on those views.

 

[Dymak]

Generally speaking that's a big part of being a professional footballer. Get's a bit confusing not wearing a specific costume unless you're playing shirts and skins. There is a demand to wear logos of alcoholic products, gambling firms and firms who practice exploitative financial products.

If a footballer refuses to play a match because there is pro LGBTQ+ on the back then fair enough. For me that's a clear lack of commitment to the club, their teammates, the supporters and a firm acknowledgement that they are all less important than that players homophobia, or alternatively, that player's massive crippling anxiety about wearing something they deem emasculating. An exclusively religious reason is demonstrably false given the players past acceptance and choice to move to a club wearing logos or symbols that are clearly Haram.

Either way for me it's a shirking of responsibility as a player and lack of commitment to the club that I'd prefer not to see encouraged.

It in no way equates to "gays being forced to wear Christian costumes in Senegal".

Organisations have uniforms. Most people will be made aware of an organisation’s uniform prior to joining an organisation. But if you start introducing partisan insignia onto people’s uniforms then don’t be surprised if some people start to have a problem with it.

Humans are diverse, they aren’t uniform, and I’m massively against the type of authoritarianism that tries to force people into being uniform.

 

[hktoffee]

Country is on its ass and Everton going full on Everton and signing barks, Gana and any Burnley reject we can.

And the diamond…

 

[mahermi1]

We can't 'keep politics out of sport' because the two are woven into the fabric of each other.

We'll try to stop when there isn't a foodbank collection outside Goodison. Until then, the two co-exist whether people like it or not.

What have foodbanks have to do with Gueye ?
This is the Gueye thread I take it.

 

[Llyrap]

Can somebody explain how we would utilise him. He is not a 6. He is basically Allan but more mobile but not so good on the ball. I sort of remember that there were murmurings that Gueye was plan B for PSG when they failed to land Allan.

If he signs are we still pretty much where we are now but with greater depth?

 

[Connor]

What have foodbanks have to do with Gueye ?
This is the Gueye thread I take it.

It was a general point about keeping politics out of sport.

 

[Toffeeforme]

33 soon. Comes with homophobic baggage. Swerve.

What baggage?

 

[andy4efc]

Which is why I said "If he wants to be a bigot." You're correct I don't know his actual thoughts but to do something as petty as not wearing some rainbow football laces or number on the back of his shirt is pretty telling.

This "view" is harmful though, it might seem innocuous to say "oh well he's entitled to that view", but the fact is we're in 2022 and men throughout football are still in fear of coming out to the point where they wait until the end of their careers to do so.

Yeah i understand the pettyness, I was going to say but removed it, if it was me and I didnt agree with it, I think i'd just crack on and play anyway. Ultimately though it should be an option to support and not forced (same with any workplaces, industry etc).

Yeah I understand that issue, but with society you're never going to change everybodies views. Some people will learn over time and with education, some wont. Those who do not want to change their view, or feel they shouldn't need to. As long as it doesn't harm others then it is what it is. It's when it becomes a harmful viewpoint and an unccessary attack. Your point on foootballers who hide until late/end of their career is valid. You dont have to say you like them having another preference, but doesn't mean it should be an issue either. With regards to that though, is there a question of sharing changing rooms? We don't share mens/womens changing rooms for obvious reasons, would that become a "problem"?

For example in my work role I'm seeing children who have now 'changed identities'. Personally, I dont understand the whole thing a bit like religion but ultiatemly its up to them/their family and I wouldn't dismiss it, on the flipside I wouldn't be shouting for joy for it either.

As you said, he could have just played and the whole thing wouldn't have ever surfaced, but i dont think its as black and white as "well he hasnt played so he must hate gay people" you know? A lack of context creates speculation.

Perhaps its just me, cause im not arsed remotely if someone identifies as a cabbage or whether they're trans, gay etc. I just dont care, it's nothing to do with me so not remotely bothered.

Context is everything.

I dont want to take up much more of the thread with what is a semi-off topic thing though @bigboy but thanks for taking the time for your opinion