I'd rather have Martinez back

[Zezti]

Oh

And there's me thinking he was being traduced in this very bailiwick for filling the squad with rubbish and the whole squad needed "gutting" before we would see any improvement from Ronald

Hang about.....he was being berated for that very reason during our bad run

And just look at his players now.

Made some great signings (Lukaku) and some atrocious signings (Alcaraz). If he was a scout then yeah I'd be happy to appreciate his efforts, but he was a manager and an awful one at that.

 

[Khalekan]

Made some great signings (Lukaku) and some atrocious signings (Alcaraz). If he was a scout then yeah I'd be happy to appreciate his efforts, but he was a manager and an awful one at that.

Has there been a manager in the history of the game never made an atrocious signing?

Heck.....Howard signed Ian Wilson

 

[andy4efc]

Made some great signings (Lukaku) and some atrocious signings (Alcaraz). If he was a scout then yeah I'd be happy to appreciate his efforts, but he was a manager and an awful one at that.

I don't think he is an awful one, I just think he's remarkably naive and stubborn and it was his biggest downfall. We saw glimpses of what a Martinez team could do.
Didn't learn or refused to change based upon mistakes. Cab certainly spot talent and get the best out of players. Question is did the players believe in hIs methods? Definitely not. I always think it doesn't matter what tactic or philosophy you have, as soon as the players question it, it's game over.

May not be a popular opinion, but I do hope he goes on to learn and be a proven success somewhere. Nice guy who had a lot of
Time for people. Met him when he played for Wigan many years ago and he gave me a trophy for my Sunday league team. Would talk Football with anyone.

 

[Zezti]

Has there been a manager in the history of the game never made an atrocious signing?

Heck.....Howard signed Ian Wilson

The problem with Martinez is he actually wanted to play his atrocious signings and was too stubborn to change it. How many times did we see Kone or Cleverley on the starting 11 after stinking the place out the match before? Compare that with Koeman now -- if there's one or two consistent underperformers, they're out.

Actually, I don't know if it was stubbornness or he was just blind to what everyone else could see. Either way its indicative of a bad manager.

 

[CRIMHEAD]

While I think most appreciate his enthusiasm and may even think he has some intellect, you have to create competition, whether it is against players or standards. Standards has slipped. Koeman by all accounts is objective and honest. And you know what? He's credible enough to be that way. He's had some ups and downs as a manager, but he was a great player with all sorts of leadership and competitiveness.

Allow him to buy similar types that are willing to work and want to be great. He may push too hard, he may alienate some players. As long as that's not the status quo, we should be great. He clearly has made an imprint on Ross and seems to have the respect of Rom.

 

[DrEFC]

He was agonisingly close to being great. Also find it unfair that he gets smashed for chatting wham, how many of us have his range of vocabulary in Spanish? Quite phenomenal.

Thats horse apples. He's spent the majority of his life in the UK. His choice of words aren't something to be praised- he's purposely embellishing players/teams for faux-psychological reasons & it made him ring false.

 

[MikeH72]

It's proper weird the way the Martinez-ites have developed this personal bond with him that's led them to the point of actually wanting his successor to fail to the detriment of Everton, to be proved right in defending him. Don't think there's another manager in football apart from Arsene Wenger that has such a cult following, but then again he's actually earned it by being successful and not just having a softly spoken Spanish voice and big sad puppy dog eyes.

 

[AndyGray]

Has there been a manager in the history of the game never made an atrocious signing?

Heck.....Howard signed Ian Wilson

It was Colin Harvey who signed Wilson, mate

 

[bluestevon]

Oh

And there's me thinking he was being traduced in this very bailiwick for filling the squad with rubbish and the whole squad needed "gutting" before we would see any improvement from Ronald

Hang about.....he was being berated for that very reason during our bad run

And just look at his players now.

Break it down a bit mate, Joel he brought in and then showed absolutely no faith in the lad, preferring a totally washed up Howard over him for at least a season until the fans pressure eventually made him do the swap, arguable if he improved at all in any facet of his game until this,season when he has looked Luke developing hugely.

McCarthy - has become a squad player, not a core player and part of the spine of the team, basically 4th choice centre mid now for us.

Barkley, gave him his chance which he deserves credit for, but also managed his development as a player really badly after season one, not one part of his game improved under Martinez, 6 months in he's developed a much better all round game already.

Lukaku brilliant signing, brilliant buy, but never got the best out of him die to the system of tippy tappy not suiting his strengths whatsoever.

 

[Nymzee]

I'd say Martinez's biggest problem was his stubborn pursuit of replicating the fabled Barca style of play. It was naive to think that could be translated to a) a completely different league, and b) to a far less capable team.

It's okay to admire Guardiola and steal some of his ideas but it's just ludicrous to try and follow them to the letter. He was walking into a knife fight with a balloon.

 

[jinkyali]

It's proper weird the way the Martinez-ites have developed this personal bond with him that's led them to the point of actually wanting his successor to fail to the detriment of Everton, to be proved right in defending him. Don't think there's another manager in football apart from Arsene Wenger that has such a cult following, but then again he's actually earned it by being successful and not just having a softly spoken Spanish voice and big sad puppy dog eyes.

I suspect it's the same stubbornness which cost there god his job.

Thankfully we don't hear much from him anymore and I imagine it will stay that way as there isn't a club in the top two divisions who will dare give him a job following his dismal performance.

 

[Jags..class]

He was so close to winning a few cups for us but the league form was a massive concern. I liked the guy and always give a manager a chance but his last season was shocking. He was making mistakes, playing Howard was mental, it was like he wanted to prove the fans wrong.

 

[Tigger]

Thats horse apples. He's spent the majority of his life in the UK. His choice of words aren't something to be praised- he's purposely embellishing players/teams for faux-psychological reasons & it made him ring false.

Sorry I have to disagree, the man is unique and to suggest otherwise is phenomenal.

 

[MikeH72]

He was so close to winning a few cups for us but the league form was a massive concern. I liked the guy and always give a manager a chance but his last season was shocking. He was making mistakes, playing Howard was mental, it was like he wanted to prove the fans wrong.

He actually wasn't close to winning anything mate. A semi final exit isn't close.

 

[Ashtonian]

Why do we now have 3 martinez threads on the go?