I know I shouldn't have but...

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if any of the people who replied to that article see this, I'd just like to say that your all not welcome here.

especially mr hypothetical revolver, try seeing what would happen if you pointed it at your face and pulled the trigger you blind prat.
 
Jay Harris is a mental patient.

Sorry, you misinterpreted my calling Jay Harris a mental patient.

What I really meant to say was that Jay Harris... is a mental patient.
 
if any of the people who replied to that article see this, I'd just like to say that your all not welcome here.

especially mr hypothetical revolver, try seeing what would happen if you pointed it at your face and pulled the trigger you blind prat.
So Rob your are now in charge of what every one on here thinks ,perhaps every potential poster should be interviewed by you or vetted by someone who agrees with every thing you say.Lets just forget about this being a forum for Everton fans and instead have a bland site where if you dont conform to your standards your out.I find you very sad they only difference with you and the guys you lam blast is the side of the fence you sit.If you dont like what they say fine and if you have any constructive crittism even better but no one has the right to tell any one they are not welcome except when they fail to adhere to the rules as they where on a different site how does that apply? also as you feel so strong why not reply to the people concerned.
 
So Rob your are now in charge of what every one on here thinks ,perhaps every potential poster should be interviewed by you or vetted by someone who agrees with every thing you say.Lets just forget about this being a forum for Everton fans and instead have a bland site where if you dont conform to your standards your out.I find you very sad they only difference with you and the guys you lam blast is the side of the fence you sit.If you dont like what they say fine and if you have any constructive crittism even better but no one has the right to tell any one they are not welcome except when they fail to adhere to the rules as they where on a different site how does that apply? also as you feel so strong why not reply to the people concerned.

No we should never condemn free speech. I think Rob and a few of the boys here have had their fill of the so called supporters on that site
 

I can understand that I have had a few arguments on there ,the problem on there is every one takes a different view as a insult I would hate that to happen on here as I honestly think this is the best Everton site and I think I have posted on most.
 
I can understand that I have had a few arguments on there ,the problem on there is every one takes a different view as a insult I would hate that to happen on here as I honestly think this is the best Everton site and I think I have posted on most.

I hear where you're coming from but to be fair, Rob (and many others for that matter) get tired of the negative views espoused on there and those who try to make a positive, constructive contribution, are usually shouted down or one particular point is pulled out of a post "to prove a point."

That's why I titled the post "I shouldn't have..." because I really shouldn't have.

I actually agreed with much of what the original article said though but the responses from the "naysayers" were over the top and frankly, they wouldn't last a second on GOT.
 
I hear where you're coming from but to be fair, Rob (and many others for that matter) get tired of the negative views espoused on there and those who try to make a positive, constructive contribution, are usually shouted down or one particular point is pulled out of a post "to prove a point."

That's why I titled the post "I shouldn't have..." because I really shouldn't have.

I actually agreed with much of what the original article said though but the responses from the "naysayers" were over the top and frankly, they wouldn't last a second on GOT.
I think some of it is down to editing with certain topics the biases is apparent I found the move particular bad I'm against it but the venom on there from both sides was awful when you consider we all support the same team and want whats best I gave up in the end if I want to argue I ve got the wife for that
 
Skimming though it, it appears that Neil Pearce had some well thought out realistic comments. So it didn't suprise me that he was shouted down and called an idiot by the masses.
 
Skimming though it, it appears that Neil Pearce had some well thought out realistic comments. So it didn't suprise me that he was shouted down and called an idiot by the masses.

My thoughts exactly.

He was pretty much in a group of one regarding his well thought out and reasoned posts.

The rest were just typical TW mailbag [Poor language removed].

Almost embarassing to call them "fellow Everton supporters."
 

TW is a great resource but the cynisiam and condensding manner its protrayed is galling and at times really unfair. I finished with it after we were beat by Spurs at home the season before last it really disgusted me how quickily "fans" could turn with such venom.

If we won the C.L. with a five man midfeild hey would still complain.
 
Agreed.

I love TW from that standpoint. But when you start to dip your foot into the mailbag and opinion columns, that's when it gets nasty.

The one thing I really love about GOT is that we pretty much police our own in here and if someone just decides to have an opinions that would be considered nothing but windups or someone decides to be consistently negative (for the sake of being negative), then they'll get called out on it.

Just about everyone one in here, regardless of location, length of time supporting Everton, background, etc... is reasonable when it comes to posting. Operative word being "reasonable."

Example of a non-reasonable post:

"BK's been looting the club for years..."

That type of [Poor language removed] when there's absolutely no evidence of something like that is par for the course up top.
 
In its defence toffeeweb sometimes gets it right, I was suprised to only find a couple "he wasn't good enough to wear the blue shirt" becasue he wasn't a hybrid mix of all the best qualitites of Viera, Keane, Makelele, Essien " comments on this article.

The 'Carsley Role'

By David Nicholls : 19/05/2008
I’m embarrased to admit that when Walter Smith ventured into the transfer market for the last time as Everton manager on February the 8th 2002, I was so excited at the thought of seeing galic wing wizardry at Goodison in the shape of David Ginola that the £1.95M signing of Lee Carsley from Coventry City almost escaped my notice. A decent workmanlike player, I thought. A typical Smith signing. But while David Ginola flattered to decieve in his short time with us, Carsley went on to establish himself as a focal point of Everton’s renaissance under Moyes.

‘Cars’ became a regular for Everton during Moyse’s first full season. He was primarily employed on the righthand side of a four man midfield and helped the side to a respectable seventh in the Premier League. He then moved inside to form the ‘Right Said Fred’ midfield pairing alongside Thomas Gravesen. It was however, during the 2004-2005 season when he became the anchor in a five man midfield thet Carsley really came into his own. He used his considerable experience and ability to read the game to break opposition attacks up and allow his more illustrious bald headed colleague to venture forward, get his foot on the ball and run the game. With Carsley showing great discipline protecting Evertons back four Thomas Gravesen was finally able to display the consistency that frustratingly eluded him previously in his Everton career. Carsley was able to seal the limelight from Gravesen on the odd occasion. Who could forget the Derby day winner or that fantastic free kick at St James’s Park as Everton were transformed from relegation candidates to Champions league contenders within a matter of months. Typically, it was Gravesen who grabbed the attention of footballs biggest club and so began a standing joke among the Everton fans and players alike.

Thomas Gravesen signed for Real Madrid’s Galactico’s in January of 2005 to add a bit of steel to their midfield which had been lacking since Claude Makelele left for Chelsea the previous summer. A move which had many an Evertonian scratching their head. It was the kind of move which made me question if some clubs can be arsed to even watch a player before they get their checkbook out. Despite his fierce looks and tendency to embark on headless runs, Gravesen was essentialy a gifted playmaker. The last thing Madrid needed considering they already had the likes of Guti, Zidane, Figo, Beckham and Raul among their ranks. ‘They’ve signed the wrong one’ the Evertonians joked. Something which Gravesen later admitted himself. At the time however, when I tried putting this theory forward to some of my work collegues I was looked at as though I’d just suggested that Steve Mclaren would make a great England manager. ‘Lee Carsley play for Real Madrid’? ‘Yeah right’! But to this day I’m absolutley convinced that had it been Carsley that made his way to the Bernabau he would have gone down a storm in Spain and would have received far more recognition from the public at large for his somewhat under-rated footballing ability.

Madrid’s loss was Evertons gain and although we missed Gravesen initially, Carsley’s steadying influence in the centre of the park ensured we defied all the odds to hang on to fourth spot and obtain a Champion’s league place. Carsleys season ended on a sour note with a leg break which ensured he missed almost the whole of the following season. It was no coincidence that without ‘Cars’ we endured a torrid start to the season during which we suffered exits from both European competitions and slipped to the bottom of the Premier League table. The following season (06/07) Lee Carsley was ever present at the heart of Evertons midfield as Moyes’s boys secured 6th place and qualification for the UEFA Cup. It seemed for a short while that he would not enjoy the fruits of his labour as Carsley, now well into his thirties and in accordance with the clubs contract policy on players the wrong side of thirty, would only be given a one year contract. Wigan were hovering, offering the temptation of a two year deal but thankfully the lure of European nights were too hard to resist and he signed for another year.

During the season just passed Carsley has been a vital cog in the blue machine. As Moyes has slowly but surely crafted a midfield which can no longer be described as simply workman-like and effective. With the ‘Midget Gems’ and Tiny Tim each weighing barely more than 10 Stone dripping wet, Carsley despite being 5ft 10 and weighing just over 12 stone (small compared to the 6ft 4, 13 ½ stone dreadnoughts that occupy many a Premiership midfield these days) is as hard as they come and adds some much needed physicality to our otherwise lightweight midfield. Off the pitch he was quite a character as well. I’ve read many an interview in which ‘Cars’ has been described as the funniest lad in the dressing room and you only had to see the way the players all ran to him after his late goal against Birmingham this season to see how much they all thought of him.

He has however, made no secret of his desire to move closer to his family in the West Midlands as his carrer winds to a close. When asked recently about his future his response was typically modest when he said that if he does leave ‘it won’t really matter as Everton will just bring someone else in’. We all know he is selling himself well short and midfielders like him or, men like him for that matter are not exactly ten a penny but fair play to him. It’s his decision and he’s has been a great servant to Everton Football Club. I’m just glad he was given that ovation when he left the field against Newcastle. Todays news still does come as a shock as in my heart I had convinced myself he would sign for another year.

The news of Carsley’s decision to leave causes me quite alot of concern. Neville, Jagielka and Yobo have all played in his position in the past and none look anywhere near as comfortable as Carsley does in that role. Rodwell and Gosling will be years off Carsley’s level so I can only hope that the board will back Moyes to the hilt in the transfer market as holding midfielders of Carsley’s standard do not come cheap.

In the modern game it is almost unheard of to pick a team without employing someone in the holding role or the ‘Makelele role’ as it has become known after Chelsea’s superb Frenchman, arguably the finest exponent of the holding midfield position in recent times hence the postion being named after him. But I’ll tell you what.... I look around the league and there aren’t many better in that position than Lee Carsley so thanks Lee and good luck in the future. I know whenever I’m discussing the ‘Makelele role’ with friends the future the question will be simple: Who do you think should play in the ‘Carsley role’?
 
one guy suggests shooting bill kenwright... and you expect me to respect them?

not a chance, there is censorship and then there is telling a fuckwit to STFU!
 
By the same token being an arse licker of the current Everton board should alo be avoided.
 

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