Howard

[Allezfan]

You guys are the worst sort of fans ever.

Seriously? He made the first diving save on a drilled low shot to his right. It was good. The rebound went to a guy who was unmarked unchallenged. How about call it like it is. Poor defending.

Second goal Moses was unmarked for a free header in the 6 yard box. 99% of the time any player would try to put that freebie on net, instead he lays it off to a poorly marked Torres who hits it first time from 12 feet away.

Mark someone and neither of those chances happen, it didnt matter who the goalie was.

...or just continue to blame the wrong player for the muck up. Whatever lets you sleep cozy.

Least shocking location, ever.

 

[Number_25]

You guys are the worst sort of fans ever.

Seriously? He made the first diving save on a drilled low shot to his right. It was good. The rebound went to a guy who was unmarked unchallenged. How about call it like it is. Poor defending.

Second goal Moses was unmarked for a free header in the 6 yard box. 99% of the time any player would try to put that freebie on net, instead he lays it off to a poorly marked Torres who hits it first time from 12 feet away.

Mark someone and neither of those chances happen, it didnt matter who the goalie was.

...or just continue to blame the wrong player for the muck up. Whatever lets you sleep cozy.

As someone who plays in goal on a frequent basis, I feel that I should really say one or two things.

Looking at the first goal, Howard should of padded the ball away from goal and concede a corner - his wrists weren't strong enough to take the shot.

I do agree with the fact that no-one from the back 4 tracked back to challenge Mata for a relatively easy tap-in, but the blame is solely on Tim Howard's poor goalkeeping.

The marking for the winner wasn't too fantastic and it's natural for a goalkeeper to assume that the ball is going to go anywhere other than right infront of him.

 

[Kurt.]

You guys are the worst sort of fans ever.

Seriously? He made the first diving save on a drilled low shot to his right. It was good. The rebound went to a guy who was unmarked unchallenged. How about call it like it is. Poor defending.

Second goal Moses was unmarked for a free header in the 6 yard box. 99% of the time any player would try to put that freebie on net, instead he lays it off to a poorly marked Torres who hits it first time from 12 feet away.

Mark someone and neither of those chances happen, it didnt matter who the goalie was.

...or just continue to blame the wrong player for the muck up. Whatever lets you sleep cozy.

Sorry mate, that first goal...he should have held that ball ..it bounced off his chest and into the strikers path.... poor goalkeeping.

 

[pfim]

You guys are the worst sort of fans ever.

Seriously? He made the first diving save on a drilled low shot to his right. It was good. The rebound went to a guy who was unmarked unchallenged. How about call it like it is. Poor defending.

Second goal Moses was unmarked for a free header in the 6 yard box. 99% of the time any player would try to put that freebie on net, instead he lays it off to a poorly marked Torres who hits it first time from 12 feet away.

Mark someone and neither of those chances happen, it didnt matter who the goalie was.

...or just continue to blame the wrong player for the muck up. Whatever lets you sleep cozy.

He needs to hold that first one or knock it out of bounds. You can't give up that big of a rebound on that weak of a shot. It's not good enough.

The second one wasn't a bad goal, if the guy kicks it hard enough, it will go in on the short side on anyone. There's no reaction time, and it's not as if he can just sit there on the short post and hope that Torres won't do what he would 90% of the time, aim for the back post.

 

[Azzurri]

You guys are the worst sort of fans ever.

Seriously? He made the first diving save on a drilled low shot to his right. It was good. The rebound went to a guy who was unmarked unchallenged. How about call it like it is. Poor defending.

Second goal Moses was unmarked for a free header in the 6 yard box. 99% of the time any player would try to put that freebie on net, instead he lays it off to a poorly marked Torres who hits it first time from 12 feet away.

Mark someone and neither of those chances happen, it didnt matter who the goalie was.

...or just continue to blame the wrong player for the muck up. Whatever lets you sleep cozy.

Drilled shot low to his right?

He fumbled an average power shot which was low to his left, incidentally. I'd expect our Sunday league keeper to deal with that.

Don't blame him for the second one, though. Could've done better maybe but meh.




EDIT: Ohhhhhh, it's you. Yeah. I get it now. Not Tim Howard by any chance, are you?

 

[Carlito]

You could make a case that Torres was able to put his foot through the ball from close range for the second (although I don't think a 'keeper should be beaten at his near post by anything less than a screamer) but the first was just poor from Howard, no two ways about it.

 

[deipnosophist]

Keep Tim

Think he is a damn good keeper and a fine person. No brainer that he stays

 

[- Bradders -]

I think he'll probably be number 1 next year under the new manager but I hope we bring in a good backup that'll push him for the spot. Either that or maybe Springthorpe could make the step up to the bench and stake a claim(I have no idea if this is a good or bad idea due to only seeing sparse highlights, mind).

Just out of interest, what was the general opinion around Ruddy whilst he was still at us? Was he highly rated or not? I honestly can't remember. I quite like him and wouldn't mind bringing him back as our number 1 even if this season he has been hampered by injuries!

 

[TX Bill]

You guys are the worst sort of fans ever.

Seriously? He made the first diving save on a drilled low shot to his right. It was good. The rebound went to a guy who was unmarked unchallenged. How about call it like it is. Poor defending.

Second goal Moses was unmarked for a free header in the 6 yard box. 99% of the time any player would try to put that freebie on net, instead he lays it off to a poorly marked Torres who hits it first time from 12 feet away.

Mark someone and neither of those chances happen, it didnt matter who the goalie was.

...or just continue to blame the wrong player for the muck up. Whatever lets you sleep cozy.

Least shocking location, ever.

And once again...location of the poster has nothing to do with is.

What's least shocking is that he nailed a vast section of the "support" to a tee.

Evertonians aren't happy if they aren't moaning about something. And since we want to continue sticking to facts here, Howard IS the least of our problems right now. The good news however is that EVERY PLAYER in the squad, after years of coasting, will have to prove themselves worthy of a place to a new manager. That includes Howard.

 

[dholliday]

Think he is a damn good keeper and a fine person. No brainer that he stays

That sort of comment is what I would call a no-brainer.

And since we want to continue sticking to facts here, Howard IS the least of our problems right now.

How is that a fact? That's just your opinion.

A fact is this: Howard's mistakes this season have led to 13 goals being conceded. How many points we lost due to this is speculation, but let's just say 10.

10 extra points this season would have meant European football next season.


I'd say that is quite a big problem that needs solving.


I'd say priorities are this:

- new continental pro-active tactician manager
- secure Baines & Fellaini
- sign world-class striker
- sign world-class keeper


This is gonna cost money, let's hope we've got it.

 

[- Bradders -]

And once again...location of the poster has nothing to do with is.

What's least shocking is that he nailed a vast section of the "support" to a tee.

Evertonians aren't happy if they aren't moaning about something. And since we want to continue sticking to facts here, Howard IS the least of our problems right now. The good news however is that EVERY PLAYER in the squad, after years of coasting, will have to prove themselves worthy of a place to a new manager. That includes Howard.

Well if his view of the 1st goal isn't skewed by his nationality then I suggest he rewatches it/ gets some glasses because he's chatting **** with regards to that. Yes the marking was slack etc. but chances are inevitably going to be created and it's at those times when you call upon your keeper. It should've been easily dealt with. The second, meh, perhaps saveable by the very best but struck low and hard from close range so I don't blame him for that.

Oh, and what's with the "Evertonians aren't happy if they aren't moaning about something" jibe? Are we not allowed to criticise players when we perceive them to be playing poorly/ at fault? Other players who have been below par at points in the season have gotten criticism, just as those who have played well for matches/ periods been praised for their performances. Regardless of their form though, they always receive my full support at the match so I don't really see why it's an issue...

 

[carolinablue232]

That sort of comment is what I would call a no-brainer.




How is that a fact? That's just your opinion.

A fact is this: Howard's mistakes this season have led to 13 goals being conceded. How many points we lost due to this is speculation, but let's just say 10.

10 extra points this season would have meant European football next season.


I'd say that is quite a big problem that needs solving.


I'd say priorities are this:

- new continental pro-active tactician manager
- secure Baines & Fellaini
- sign world-class striker
- sign world-class keeper


This is gonna cost money, let's hope we've got it.

Name the 13 goals that were all his fault. Then name me every shocking miss we've had this season that also cost us points. Then try to remember the saves Howard made to win us points. You're looking at this from one side, and that side is deluded if you think Timmy was responsible for 13 goals against alone. He wasn't perfect this season. I was critical of him early on because he was poor. He picked it up and had a fine season. His numbers back that up. He's still a very good keeper, but I agree he needs competition.

 

[dholliday]

Name the 13 goals that were all his fault. Then name me every shocking miss we've had this season that also cost us points. Then try to remember the saves Howard made to win us points. You're looking at this from one side, and that side is deluded if you think Timmy was responsible for 13 goals against alone.

Timmy?

Anyway, he's a top-6 Premiership goalkeeper, it's his job to keep us in the game with saves. That's the very least he should be doing. What he shouldn't be doing is making mistakes that lead to goals.

I don't have the games to hand, but a Guardian Sports Writer also mentioned it (tho' he counted 12, I counted one more).

A misfiring striker doesn't lose as much points as an error-prone goalkeeper.

Time to bring in someone who's world-class. We've missed that ever since Southall left (tho' Martyn was that class for one season).

Worst-case scenario: we have to sell Fellaini to afford a 15m keeper. It's that important. Successful teams are built on top goalies.

 

[- Bradders -]

Name the 13 goals that were all his fault. Then name me every shocking miss we've had this season that also cost us points. Then try to remember the saves Howard made to win us points. You're looking at this from one side, and that side is deluded if you think Timmy was responsible for 13 goals against alone. He wasn't perfect this season. I was critical of him early on because he was poor. He picked it up and had a fine season. His numbers back that up. He's still a very good keeper, but I agree he needs competition.

I'm not going to name 13 goals because I'm not sure if it is that many/ I cba researching it but stop with this deflection with regards to chances missed. We are talking about Tim Howard here, in the Tim Howard thread. They are separate points and I'm sure you can bemoan missed chances in the Jelavic/ Anichebe/ Naismith threads...

As for saves made, I can't recall too many saves that have been top drawer that have saved us in matches. He has made a few, I know that, but not many that you wouldn't expect a Premier League keeper to make. I think if the 2 were compared then mistakes would outnumber the top saves.

Fair do's like, he's picked up his performances, especially after he came back from injury but overall I'd still consider his season a below par one, (along with Jelavic, Heitinga, Naismith, Osman before you feel the need to bring other players into the equation!)

 

[carolinablue232]

Timmy?

Anyway, he's a top-6 Premiership goalkeeper, it's his job to keep us in the game with saves. That's the very least he should be doing. What he shouldn't be doing is making mistakes that lead to goals.

I don't have the games to hand, but a Guardian Sports Writer also mentioned it (tho' he counted 12, I counted one more).

A misfiring striker doesn't lose as much points as an error-prone goalkeeper.

Time to bring in someone who's world-class. We've missed that ever since Southall left (tho' Martyn was that class for one season).

Worst-case scenario: we have to sell Fellaini to afford a 15m keeper. It's that important. Successful teams are built on top goalies.

+1 cancels out -1 friend.

I'd love to have Casillas, but the sad truth is there aren't many of him out there. Howard has finished IFFHS voting as a top 10 keeper in the World 3 times, and he's still quality. He started the season poor but finished strong. He's hardly our biggest problem. If we get 15m to spend from the Fellaini sale, striker is the priority.