all that money and the best squad, yet he still manages to perform miracles, what a genius, what roy hodgson has done at palace is more impressive
Guardiola to be found out in the premier league
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indeed sir, he is doing what he should be doing with the resources, obviously he is good but it's par basically for what he has
can't believe he manages to achieve things at the best team with the most money, what a miracle worker
Money didn't help your last manager much. You spent [Poor language removed] loads and were heading for relegation. Fat Sam has the same team and you're looking good. Obviously it's just about the money.
gonetomorrow
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De Bruyne has feet like paintbrushes according to Keown.
Imagine how good he'd be if he had normal feet?
Frightening.
Imagine how good he'd be if he had normal feet?
Frightening.
Jamo Martinez
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Haters still coming out with the old 'let's see him win something with (insert name of poorly performing team with no money)'.
What a ridiculous argument. I said the same a fair few pages back but to reiterate, No manager in the world would have the likes of West Brom or Swansea winning the league*.
None of his supporters have suggested that he's invented the Wheel.
*What Ranieri did with Leicester or what Otto Rehhagel did with Greece at Euro 2004 were admirable yet totally freak, fluke achievements.
What a ridiculous argument. I said the same a fair few pages back but to reiterate, No manager in the world would have the likes of West Brom or Swansea winning the league*.
None of his supporters have suggested that he's invented the Wheel.
*What Ranieri did with Leicester or what Otto Rehhagel did with Greece at Euro 2004 were admirable yet totally freak, fluke achievements.
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You spent three times as much as we did... in one window.
You should be walking the league every season given the money your club spends each year.
He's just setting the number Sam will break later this season.
Billy Dean
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I'd like to see him do it in a competitive league where there are no easy games
I agree with your point to an extent as they should be winning with what they've spent, however look at Citeh under Pellegrini or Mancini.
Both managers also spent vast amounts and perhaps Pep has arguably built upon this, but the football they're playing is clearly on another level.
What about Manure who spent a comparable amount to Citeh in the window? Or Chelsea? They've also invested heavily in recent seasons.
I think the point some people are trying to make (including myself) is that it's not that they're in front but how spectacular they are doing it.
Though I don't think the fact he's worked at exclusively big clubs detracts from his achievements, I do think it will ultimately be taken into account when it comes to judging the all-time best manager
Compared to Ferguson, who earned his chops at Aberdeen turning them into a powerhouse both domestically and in Europe whilst having to deal with the two Old Firm giants before getting the Man United gig, he's had a much easier time of it
That being said, the expectations of managing Barcelona, Bayern and City are way and above what Ferguson had to contend with when he was managing The Dons, so that deserves consideration also
There's no doubting that Guardiola is an excellent coach though, he just doesn't have a Porto or Aberdeen to his name like Mourinho or Ferguson do. Barcelona B doesn't count IMO, because it's youth football. Yes, it showed he was a decent coach, and yes he was playing senior sides in the second tier, but again he had perhaps the best youth project in the world to work with. He has never had to start from scratch, even though Barcelona weren't champions when he first took over. He still had a squad most people would be envious of
Compared to Ferguson, who earned his chops at Aberdeen turning them into a powerhouse both domestically and in Europe whilst having to deal with the two Old Firm giants before getting the Man United gig, he's had a much easier time of it
That being said, the expectations of managing Barcelona, Bayern and City are way and above what Ferguson had to contend with when he was managing The Dons, so that deserves consideration also
There's no doubting that Guardiola is an excellent coach though, he just doesn't have a Porto or Aberdeen to his name like Mourinho or Ferguson do. Barcelona B doesn't count IMO, because it's youth football. Yes, it showed he was a decent coach, and yes he was playing senior sides in the second tier, but again he had perhaps the best youth project in the world to work with. He has never had to start from scratch, even though Barcelona weren't champions when he first took over. He still had a squad most people would be envious of
Westend Blue
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City are playing the best footie I’ve seen in the PL era better than mourinhos 95pnt Chelsea, the invincibles, and fergies man utd 06-09
Thought it was funny when Lampard et al were discussing Guardiola's achievements and he mentioned people saying: "well yeh but he had the best team at Barca, went to Bayern with the best team but then City, well they were one of the best".
No Frank, they had the best squad and then lashed out an exorbitant amount of money on new players.
They're playing brilliant football but let's not sugar coat the fact their squad has always been chock full of talent and they have near unlimited resources. Spent more than most of the league did combined on bloody full-backs.
No Frank, they had the best squad and then lashed out an exorbitant amount of money on new players.
They're playing brilliant football but let's not sugar coat the fact their squad has always been chock full of talent and they have near unlimited resources. Spent more than most of the league did combined on bloody full-backs.
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