Guardiola to be found out in the premier league

[Borussin]

yeah if there’s anything Jurgen Klopp hates, it’s spending huge money on players

Jürgen Klopp’s defiantly more used to selling to buy, something he’d not have to worry about if he sold his soul and went to a sports-washing club!

But yeah, not sure how you got to transfers fees from that comment. Anyway, obviously, not the type of job he’d ever take as most probably know deep down, so not even a discussion worth having.

 

[artetas_biggest_fan]

Jürgen Klopp’s defiantly more used to selling to buy, something he’d not have to worry about if he sold his soul and went to a sports-washing club!

But yeah, not sure how you got to transfers fees from that comment. Anyway, obviously, not the type of job he’d ever take as most probably know deep down, so not even a discussion worth having.

In terms of resources at his disposal Klopp has had a much more successful managerial career than Guardiola. Klopp has been to three CL finals since Pep was last in one. Pep’s most impressive work by far was at Barca. Since then he’s been par for the course given the mammoth financial advantage he has had at his disposal. The two most expensive signings made by Klopp (Alisson and Van Dijk) were funded by the sale of Coutinho, a player Klopp made into the value he was sold for...so he’s essentially break even on those two. Klopp has also won the domestic title in Germany and England against teams with far greater financial muscle. While Klopp is in surplus over his transfer dealings in England, of the half a billion deficit Pep has racked up in England he forked out 50 million on John Stones. Getting rinsed on that signing alone is an indictment on his ability to sign defensive players. What he excels at is signing attack minded players (including full backs). His emphasis has always been on attack, even regarding what he expects from a goalkeeper, hence Joe Hart was booted out before he got to play a game for him.

For all his defensive flaws of which there are many, he’s arguably the best attacking coach in history. Not the most important as he’s soaked up the teachings of Cruyff who in turn learned from Rinus Michels, but he’s managed to build on those who went before him.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

Guardiola is so overrated that its unreal. With the time and patience that he's been afforded, the whole host of world class players that he has to work with and the bottomless pit of a transfer budget that he's had at his disposal I'd expect better, more consistent results from a Gary Megson lead Man City side.

 

[devlinadl]

I would love Pep to take on a “project” club, just to see what he could do without relying on more money than God...

 

[Billy Dean]

 

[Saint Domingo]

Who would City get to replace him though? There’s no immediate stand out targets. Maybe Nagelsman. There’s not many other coaches in Europe currently favouring tiki taka type football. Maybe Zidane if he left Madrid. Loads are now following Klopp’s kick and rush style.

 

[Billy Dean]

Who would City get to replace him though? There’s no immediate stand out targets. Maybe Nagelsman. There’s not many other coaches in Europe currently favouring tiki taka type football. Maybe Zidane if he left Madrid. Loads are now following Klopp’s kick and rush style.

Nagelsmann, Poch, Gallardo. But Pep isn't getting sacked.

 

[tsubaki]

In terms of resources at his disposal Klopp has had a much more successful managerial career than Guardiola. Klopp has been to three CL finals since Pep was last in one. Pep’s most impressive work by far was at Barca. Since then he’s been par for the course given the mammoth financial advantage he has had at his disposal. The two most expensive signings made by Klopp (Alisson and Van Dijk) were funded by the sale of Coutinho, a player Klopp made into the value he was sold for...so he’s essentially break even on those two. Klopp has also won the domestic title in Germany and England against teams with far greater financial muscle. While Klopp is in surplus over his transfer dealings in England, of the half a billion deficit Pep has racked up in England he forked out 50 million on John Stones. Getting rinsed on that signing alone is an indictment on his ability to sign defensive players. What he excels at is signing attack minded players (including full backs). His emphasis has always been on attack, even regarding what he expects from a goalkeeper, hence Joe Hart was booted out before he got to play a game for him.

For all his defensive flaws of which there are many, he’s arguably the best attacking coach in history. Not the most important as he’s soaked up the teachings of Cruyff who in turn learned from Rinus Michels, but he’s managed to build on those who went before him.

TBF I am not sure he got rinsed on Stones - his problem with him has always been that he usually tries to play the same type of CB together, rather than doing what he did at Barca (where Puyol and Pique were much more of a balanced pair). If he actually replaced Kompany with someone of that type and then played them with Laporte or Stones, and gave them the same sort of protection that Busquets gave Puyol and Pique, then everyone (including Stones) would look a lot better.

His career does seem to be going down the same way as most other managers - slowly moving away from a successful system in favour of a style of playing until the team is unrecognizeable from the one he made his reputation with. It just makes you realise how good a manager SAF was, that he never deluded himself into thinking there was a Ferguson style.

 

[NathDogg]

Pep made a right pigs ear of the team and tactics, but their recruitment has been atrocious and has continued for me with them lumping on Ake, who is massively overrated imo.

Ederson isn't a good keeper (we know how that feels) - Brazilian Jordan Pickford.

City have really bad defenders who can't do the basics right, whom Pep also wants all to play like Bekenbauer when they cannot (again we know how that feels!) - that lad Marcal for Lyon embarrassed them last night, a proper defender who defends first.

The midfield he played was dire - Fernandinos legs are gone, gundogan is crap - why leave all that attacking talent on the bench in a one off game, and only giving Silva 6 minutes is fookin criminal - he deserves sacking for that midfield alone last night.

I think the likes of Clough, prime Howie and Fergie, Bobby Robson etc would have run rings around peps teams and tactics - football is a simple game complicated by idiots, like Pep.

 

[Cool_Blue]

Would love to see City go and hire Klopp, unbelievable popcorn

That suggestion is not so far fetched. Citeh’s owners must be getting fidgety this morning, I’m not sure Pep will survive after this latest failure.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Nagelsmann, Poch, Gallardo. But Pep isn't getting sacked.

Can see Poch getting a job this summer. I’m not saying he will now obviously, but if next season they’ve missed out on the big two again I could see him going either walking or being shoved. Perhaps Arteta was the successor option but doesn’t look likely now.

 

[degsy]

Who would City get to replace him though? There’s no immediate stand out targets. Maybe Nagelsman. There’s not many other coaches in Europe currently favouring tiki taka type football. Maybe Zidane if he left Madrid. Loads are now following Klopp’s kick and rush style.

Why do potential City candidates (and there isnt actually a vacancy...yet) have to play tiki taka, especially as Bayern just steamrollered them ala Jonah Lomu

 

[degsy]

Pep made a right pigs ear of the team and tactics, but their recruitment has been atrocious and has continued for me with them lumping on Ake, who is massively overrated imo.

Ederson isn't a good keeper (we know how that feels) - Brazilian Jordan Pickford.

City have really bad defenders who can't do the basics right, whom Pep also wants all to play like Bekenbauer when they cannot (again we know how that feels!) - that lad Marcal for Lyon embarrassed them last night, a proper defender who defends first.

The midfield he played was dire - Fernandinos legs are gone, gundogan is crap - why leave all that attacking talent on the bench in a one off game, and only giving Silva 6 minutes is fookin criminal - he deserves sacking for that midfield alone last night.

I think the likes of Clough, prime Howie and Fergie, Bobby Robson etc would have run rings around peps teams and tactics - football is a simple game complicated by idiots, like Pep.

Not only did he make a pigs ear of it - he couldn't or wouldn't change it until it was too late.
Totally over egged the whole pudding, too clever for his own good.

Bottled it should've played it like a premier league game.

Is this City's Tyson/ Buster Douglas moment

Or will He and They comeback from it?

 

[kenada_blue]

Proves why I prefer this knockout format.

No hiding behind "let's get them at home" after being embarrassed away.

Zero lifelines. Play your best for that 1 off game.

 

[Rob17896]

In terms of resources at his disposal Klopp has had a much more successful managerial career than Guardiola. Klopp has been to three CL finals since Pep was last in one. Pep’s most impressive work by far was at Barca. Since then he’s been par for the course given the mammoth financial advantage he has had at his disposal. The two most expensive signings made by Klopp (Alisson and Van Dijk) were funded by the sale of Coutinho, a player Klopp made into the value he was sold for...so he’s essentially break even on those two. Klopp has also won the domestic title in Germany and England against teams with far greater financial muscle. While Klopp is in surplus over his transfer dealings in England, of the half a billion deficit Pep has racked up in England he forked out 50 million on John Stones. Getting rinsed on that signing alone is an indictment on his ability to sign defensive players. What he excels at is signing attack minded players (including full backs). His emphasis has always been on attack, even regarding what he expects from a goalkeeper, hence Joe Hart was booted out before he got to play a game for him.

For all his defensive flaws of which there are many, he’s arguably the best attacking coach in history. Not the most important as he’s soaked up the teachings of Cruyff who in turn learned from Rinus Michels, but he’s managed to build on those who went before him.

In history! Crazy language.