Goodison Singing Section

[4737carlin]

Park End is sometimes a bit quieter because they're watching the game rather than doing the back turned, 14 year old, don't care what's happening as long as we get to shout that Gwladys does. But when it matters Park End is much better.

To be honest mate I've been in the Park End for years and its terrible, the most vocal it gets is to moan at out own players. I think one of its problems is the age range seems to be around mid to late 40s and seen the glory 80s as teenagers, and struggle now to get excited about the present play.
Besides the Park End seems to me to be the only stand that sings "We only sing when were winning" easily the most cringeworthy song I've ever heard at a football match.

What them guys are doing with the poll is good, least they are acknowledging there is a problem with atmosphere being terrible at Goodison

 

[Big Neville Southall]

People at goodison can sing literally whenever they want, a singing section wouldn't suddenly make people go 'OH YOU KNOW WHAT I FANCY IT NOW LIDS' it'd just be the same as any other section but attract to more of the divs.

Nothing is stopping people from singing right now, it's the fact were a reactive crowd.

You'll get various groups of lads who may or may not know each other, who want to sing more than the average fan, but due to reserved seating they are not by each other to get that atmosphere going.

Most fans are reactive just like everywhere else, a small number are proactive though. How small a number, I don't know!

 

[TheAlmightyFloater]

Not my place to criticise regular match attending fans because I can only find the time & afford to come down once or twice a year.

Have I thought the atmosphere was a bit flat when I have been? Yeah, probably.

Aside from fouls, tackles, goals & corners it can sometimes be pretty quiet, in my limited experience.

Would it make the match more exciting for me to hear the crowd involved a bit more? Definitely.

But tbh, if all those people pay for season tickets year in, year out, then they can do whatever they want. I'm not going to complain to anyone if the crowd's a bit quiet.

 

[mitchell1996]

just me who gets a bit baffled by all the lower gwladys/park end stuff, people making out like people sitting in one stand are completely different to the others, were all blues at the match at the end of the day

 

[TheFinnFan]

This singing section...Banners, flags, scarves etc....it is quite interesting how many feel about them...it's almost like evertonians must dislike these (?)

Too forced for evertonians generally?

 

[Lewisefc92]

There should be a singing section and a standing section.
Thats why away days are so much better, singing and standing for 90 minutes without some whopper telling you to sit down

 

[djsunyc]

much prefer a dancing section:

 

[ToffeeDan]

We can give the Main Stand a standing applause for staying beyond 83 minutes if we like.

 

[BoysInBlue]

Bad idea. What makes Everton 'Everton' is that the atmosphere isn't forced. We don't have music when goals go in, we don't all shout out players names when the team is read out or they are subbed. We don't all bring flags to the match or wave scarves to get on the telly because we're attention whores.

What we do do is have a reactive, traditional atmosphere. When Goodison is rocking, and when it is a bear pit when the heat is on, there's no other ground like it.

Johnson tried enforced wackiness in the mid 90s with a fans band in the lower Bullens and it lasted about 5 games. People despised it.

Everton is a traditional club and a choreographed singing section with song sheets is simply awful and the height of plastic fakeness.

 

[tmgc]

just me who gets a bit baffled by all the lower gwladys/park end stuff, people making out like people sitting in one stand are completely different to the others, were all blues at the match at the end of the day

That kind of namby pamby liberal attitude has no place on here, even the brylcreem,k swiss,lonsdale,wearing meffs in the Street End would agree with me on that.

 

[Big Neville Southall]

Bad idea. What makes Everton 'Everton' is that the atmosphere isn't forced. We don't have music when goals go in, we don't all shout out players names when the team is read out or they are subbed. We don't all bring flags to the match or wave scarves to get on the telly because we're attention whores.

What we do do is have a reactive, traditional atmosphere. When Goodison is rocking, and when it is a bear pit when the heat is on, there's no other ground like it.

Johnson tried enforced wackiness in the mid 90s with a fans band in the lower Bullens and it lasted about 5 games. People despised it.

Everton is a traditional club and a choreographed singing section with song sheets is simply awful and the height of plastic fakeness.

That's not what is a singing section is though. It's in essence a standing area amongst seats but you can't call it a standing area because of ground regs. Obviously you get people going in there because they like singing but it's not about telling people to sing, they sing because they want to and are surrounded by like minded fans allowing the atmosphere to naturally happen.

A general misconception wit hthis is the ultra thing. That's your drum, megaphone, repeating the same chant over and over. Singing Section is a traditional approach your natural turn up sing what you want, when you when, if you want. Think terracing at the back of the Street End then. Like minded fans congregating.

Perhaps the title 'singing section' is misleading.

 

[Azzurri]

Unsure. I've always hated the idea of a "singing section" but the atmosphere these days is absolutely dire.

I'm not one for the "ultras" section at Palace, for example, but people are going the other way and acting as if anyone singing at the match is an idiot, which is pathetic. If you want to sit quietly and observe, watch it on TV.

Chelsea and penalties against Norwich aside there hasn't been a single good atmosphere at Goodison this season, not even the derby.

Something needs to be done. If it was up to me I'd make the whole of the Lower Gwladys a "singing section" and allow standing (not sure on the rules regarding that). Anyone moaning to the club about swearing, standing, flags etc. gets told to sit somewhere else.

 

[BoysInBlue]

That's not what is a singing section is though. It's in essence a standing area amongst seats but you can't call it a standing area because of ground regs. Obviously you get people going in there because they like singing but it's not about telling people to sing, they sing because they want to and are surrounded by like minded fans allowing the atmosphere to naturally happen.

A general misconception wit hthis is the ultra thing. That's your drum, megaphone, repeating the same chant over and over. Singing Section is a traditional approach your natural turn up sing what you want, when you when, if you want. Think terracing at the back of the Street End then. Like minded fans congregating.

Perhaps the title 'singing section' is misleading.

All of this already exists in the Lower Gwladys Street.

It's just that it's not enough people for some people's tastes, for the people driving this.

The Man Utd singing section, which is what the Everton Fans Forum has cited as an example in their tweets that they'd like to emulate, has song sheets given out to fans. The whole thing is choreographed.

If it's not a singing section and is really just a standing section like you suggest, then that is wrong too, because we have an all seater stadium and frequently make public address announcements telling people to sit down so that people behind them can see the game properly.

Goodison is full of posts and obstructed views and is one of the worse grounds to suddenly start advocating standing up in.

People go on about the atmosphere being dire, but I've been a season ticket holder for 30 years and see no different from the atmosphere 5/10 years ago compared to now. Some people are getting brainwashed by Sky that crowds have to be these all singing, all dancing public displays, when the reality is most people just want to go to the match and WATCH the game. We're paying to watch, not participate. I mean sure, we do sing occasionally and we celebrate goals etc. But Everton has NEVER been a club with flags/banners/scarves/wackiness at home games.

It's en vogue to think things are rubbish at Everton and can be improved, but the reality is the really important stuff that needs to be improved is obvious and nothing the fans can affect.

 

[Big Neville Southall]

@BoysInBlue
It doesn't already exist in the Lower Gwladys Street, a lot of the singers are still spread out, they're fairly concentrated at the back of GT4 but certainly not congregated enough.

Re song sheets, firstly you are aware that Everton done these loads in the 60s onwards aren't you so I certainly don't think the basis of our support then was choreographed do you? I actually admire the effort our fans done back then to do their bit for the club. Besides in this day and age you don't need song sheets as people see the words on line or wherever, not that anyone going in there won't know them. The tweet I saw at the top used Man U as an example against all the people who say those cliches like it being for small clubs.

The gradient of the Lower Gwladys St is very low meaning it is one the safest for standing, I think it's around 14 degrees, whereas terrace recommendations are no more than 25 degrees iirc. PA announcements would not be necessary as this would remove the problem of fans being in the way of others when stood, of course if it is positioned somewhere at the back.

 

[TheFinnFan]

Bad idea. What makes Everton 'Everton' is that the atmosphere isn't forced. We don't have music when goals go in, we don't all shout out players names when the team is read out or they are subbed. We don't all bring flags to the match or wave scarves to get on the telly because we're attention whores.

What we do do is have a reactive, traditional atmosphere. When Goodison is rocking, and when it is a bear pit when the heat is on, there's no other ground like it.

Johnson tried enforced wackiness in the mid 90s with a fans band in the lower Bullens and it lasted about 5 games. People despised it.

Everton is a traditional club and a choreographed singing section with song sheets is simply awful and the height of plastic fakeness.

that sounds everton that yes. but anyways, if it is to be introduced i hope people give it a chance before dividing into groups like with that ridiculous banner quarrel