Goodison atmosphere

[blue61]

I am old enough to make comparisons. Bingham and especially Lee were not that bad but when we wavered they got it and knew it. Howard the same. the difference was as dannyboy alludes towards, fans earned money the hard way and football then was a release you stood up and swore as you saw it, you sat down and it was more measured.

Football is now a darlings game hijacked by the middle class market and yesterday proved that. People just left and it was a minority at the final whistle going ape. In the dark days of 81. Yes we may have been don to 20 000 fans but they would have almost all been there at the end going ape. those 20 000 transported into yesterday would have blocked up Goodison Road after that SURRENDER. Fans have been battered into being PC.

Fans have been brainwashed into expecting mediocrity. Until we have a board who demand success on the pitch, we'll never progress. The fact Silva wasn't bundled into the back of a taxi yesterday speaks volumes for this cowardly board.

 

[Jayhow15]

It's ok though. We've got sirens. 3 points nailed on before KO.

 

[Deleted member 38674]

Look at the atmosphere at palace. Proves you can have it without winning, and even without being much good.

but they’ve got a team that gives their all, however limited the team and their senile old manager are.

Palace have different expectations to us though. And that is ultimately what it all boils down to.

I think Palace, as a club, are in that area where they don’t expect to trouble the top 7 or 8 teams and challenge for Europe, but don’t expect to go down either. They go in to most games just expecting a level of effort, rather than a result. They understand that Selhurst Park has a reputation for being one of the most difficult aways in the league and they have a reputation for being difficult to play against, which they have embraced. In many ways, they are almost a modern day Bolton under Allardyce, in my opinion.

Since the Moyes era ended, and particularly since Moshiri arrived, there has been a fundamental shift in expectations at Everton and as a fanbase we aren’t content with less than challenging the top six - even though we don’t really have the players, and certainly not the manager, for it. As such, we’re always on a hiding to nothing.

There’s an element of frustration, given the promises made by the club and the money spent on the team (exceedingly poorly for the most part) and perhaps also urgency, given the transition of Liverpool under Klopp in the last few years.

It essentially means that fans arrive at Goodison with a deficit. The team are already on the back foot from the start. A goal conceded, rather than met by a dauntless resilience as it is at other teams, is often met by violent derision - the sum of that aforementioned urgency and years of frustration.

It’s a difficult time to be a blue right now and, whoever Silva’s replacement is, has a thankless task on their hands to re-energise the club from top to bottom and get the fans enjoying going to the game again.

 

[Deleted member 28206]

i blame the Park End personally.

 

[Catfish Blues]

I'm not blaming the fans for that performance, I just think that it should be more mutual than it is. Look at Palace and teams in Germany like Hamburg, the atmosphere at Selhurst is brilliant even if they're playing bad. I'm not saying we should get a drum to create a fake atmosphere like some teams but Palace don't need that drum.

Palace sounds great if you're watching it on the telly, but if you've been there recently you'll know that they've got a few hundred people making a lot of noise, while the rest of their fans pretty much ignore them and sit there quietly.

I'm not convinced their "ultras" actually make any difference to what happens on the pitch, it just becomes a background noise.

 

[MikeB1980]

Palace have different expectations to us though. And that is ultimately what it all boils down to.

I think Palace, as a club, are in that area where they don’t expect to trouble the top 7 or 8 teams and challenge for Europe, but don’t expect to go down either. They go in to most games just expecting a level of effort, rather than a result. They understand that Selhurst Park has a reputation for being one of the most difficult aways in the league and they have a reputation for being difficult to play against, which they have embraced. In many ways, they are almost a modern day Bolton under Allardyce, in my opinion.

Since the Moyes era ended, and particularly since Moshiri arrived, there has been a fundamental shift in expectations at Everton and as a fanbase we aren’t content with less than challenging the top six - even though we don’t really have the players, and certainly not the manager, for it. As such, we’re always on a hiding to nothing.

There’s an element of frustration, given the promises made by the club and the money spent on the team (exceedingly poorly for the most part) and perhaps also urgency, given the transition of Liverpool under Klopp in the last few years.

It essentially means that fans arrive at Goodison with a deficit. The team are already on the back foot from the start. A goal conceded, rather than met by a dauntless resilience as it is at other teams, is often met by violent derision - the sum of that aforementioned urgency and years of frustration.

It’s a difficult time to be a blue right now and, whoever Silva’s replacement is, has a thankless task on their hands to re-energise the club from top to bottom and get the fans enjoying going to the game again.

Don’t disagree with that, and of course overall expectations and ambitions differ, but fundamentally most evertonians are realistic about where the club is, and so expect effort and commitment. Too often in recent years, the minimal expectation hasn’t been met, which results in negativity.

we weren’t significantly better player for player in Moyes best season, but the effort was off the scale compared to what we have been served up since.

 

[Osamabindiesel]

I think the downfall of our fans is that they are almost too loyal. We fill the stadium even when it really doesn’t deserve to be filled.

I get the appeal of bringing your kids to the game and all that, but some go to every game just to hurl abuse at the lads. Sometimes, especially if it gets to that point, you have to veto with your wallet.

 

[MikeH72]

There’s been plenty of opportunities to make a thread moaning about the fans over the years, but this isn’t the time.

 

[Billysgingham.]

It's ok though. We've got sirens. 3 points nailed on before KO.

That's another thing that needs binning.

 

[Barry Rathbone]

Palace are a lower division club every game in the top flight is "stiff petunia" time for them routine prem fixtures don't exist in their parish every prem game is a cup final, additionally they went bust not to long ago so they're celebrating salvation as much as anything.

Portsmouth were exactly the same.

I dread the day when our fans start chanting "we are premier league, say, we are premier keague"

 

[firefighterblue]

We need Fozzie Bear back asap.

 

[Dario Terracotta]

Whilst no-one would say in the main the atmosphere at Goodison has been buoyant,I think the supporters even yesterday have been remarkably tolerant under the circumstances and even when we were one down the majority were still willing the team on, they haven't really got on Silva or the players cases until we conceded that second and at the final whistle.

 

[Dario Terracotta]

We need Fozzie Bear back asap.

Centre of the Gwladys hanging on to that big post, oh yes, get us going again Fozzie lad,silkytastic
lol

 

[Joey66]

Today's atmosphere of this board as in 1961 Everton That - what it does to you -

 

[maccavennie]

Show some commitment

Play with passion

A good manager at the helm with tactics that work and who fights the clubs corner not a wet lettuce.

Basically all of the above that we havent got at present.

I was proud of our fans yesterday - finally made our voice heard before we become the next Villa/Sunderland sleepwalking into obscurity.

Bloody hell mate!!!

Its only took about 5,000 posts of yours, but you've actually hit the nail on the head and I actually agree with you.