Goals on Sunday

ianefc · February 5, 2017

bicycleheader said:
I was writing a big long reply to you guys but couldnt be arsed in the end. we have talked thru all this over the two previous seasons.

Id like to predict that the next manager after Ron will be the one we all get behind as we finally win a bloody trophy.

I'd bloody love that. It'll never happen. People love causing fumes and love winding fans up.

mkrudden · February 5, 2017

ianefc said:
If Leicester fans and Chairmen are saying it, it's been a belief I've held for years. What would you think I'm going to think.

Remember, you're only saying this to make Martinez look better?

Why did his team fall off the edge of a cliff after a year? Yet got 16 clean sheets the season prior?

Incorrect. I've always disagreed with your point on Martinez but this is a separate, even more outrageous notion from yourself re: Ranieri.

And on Martinez, I'm not going to have the same debate we had 300 times last year. It's done.

And if we are going on other people's opinions who are in the game or who are a more keen audience, why hasn't Pearson ever even been given a chance in the PL? he's got a PL title on his CV after all

ianefc · February 5, 2017

mkrudden said:
Incorrect. I've always disagreed with your point on Martinez but this is a separate, even more outrageous notion from yourself re: Ranieri.

And on Martinez, I'm not going to have the same debate we had 300 times last year. It's done.

And if we are going on other people's opinions who are in the game or who are a more keen audience, why hasn't Pearson ever even been given a chance in the PL? he's got a PL title on his CV after all

Textbook exaggeration to prove a point. I said helped or aided. Not won it for them.

Tony Pulis also agrees with me. I know the obvious thing to do now would be is criticise Pulis. But he's forgotten more about football than any of us will ever know.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.bi...eicester-city-boss-10358148.amp?client=safari

ianefc · February 5, 2017

mkrudden said:
Incorrect. I've always disagreed with your point on Martinez but this is a separate, even more outrageous notion from yourself re: Ranieri.

And on Martinez, I'm not going to have the same debate we had 300 times last year. It's done.

And if we are going on other people's opinions who are in the game or who are a more keen audience, why hasn't Pearson ever even been given a chance in the PL? he's got a PL title on his CV after all

Another fascinating article

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36189778

One quote in particular

ianefc · February 5, 2017

Like I have said for years @mkrudden. If anyone thinks that the change over from a previous manager to new has no hangover period for good Moyes > Martinez and BAD Martinez > Koeman then they are wrong IMHO.

I think all those people who know more about the inner workings of Leicester are more likely to know more about it than you or I.

It helps when clubs are left in good places. Like where Ranieri found Leicester, Like where Koeman found Southampton (despite sales had a squad that who'd been well drilled by the excellent Potchettino) it works the other way to Koeman taking over from Martinez and even Potchettino taking over from Sherwood/AVB he had a real slow start. As did Klopp taking over from Rodgers.

I could go on. If you'd like?

Darth Toffeeman · February 5, 2017

ianefc said:
Like I have said for years @mkrudden. If anyone thinks that the change over from a previous manager to new has no hangover period for good Moyes > Martinez and BAD Martinez > Koeman then they are wrong IMHO.

I think all those people who know more about the inner workings of Leicester are more likely to know more about it than you or I.

It helps when clubs are left in good places. Like where Ranieri found Leicester, Like where Koeman found Southampton (despite sales had a squad that who'd been well drilled by the excellent Potchettino) it works the other way to Koeman taking over from Martinez and even Potchettino taking over from Sherwood/AVB he had a real slow start. As did Klopp taking over from Rodgers.

I could go on. If you'd like?

I do think there is a valid argument here.

Though Royle took over from Walker and the change up was remarkable and that was in the space of 2 weeks and lasted 18 months.

Without doubt though managerial changes often take a good 6 -12 months to really impact on a structured environment.

Ferguson to Moyes was always going to be a massive shock to the system for those involved at that club so a downturn would be expected.

Many relegation threatened clubs often get the new manager bounce. Unless it is Bob Bradley or the post sting Alladyce.

Neiler · February 5, 2017

Fair play to Roberto, he tried hard it didn't work out. Has shown nothing but respect to Everton as a club since he left, i ad,ire him for him from that.

Better Everton managers have left and not been as respectful.

blulouie · February 5, 2017

Neiler said:
Fair play to Roberto, he tried hard it didn't work out. Has shown nothing but respect to Everton as a club since he left, i ad,ire him for him from that.

Better Everton managers have left and not been as respectful.

I'd be the most respectful sacked manager the game has ever seen with a cheque for £10 million in my bank account.

Neiler · February 5, 2017

blulouie said:
I'd be the most respectful sacked manager the game has ever seen with a cheque for £10 million in my bank account.

The fault there lies with the club mate.

ijjysmith · February 5, 2017

Neiler said:
The fault there lies with the club mate.

Didn't he kick off about it though as we didn't want to pay that much?

Or something

mkrudden · February 5, 2017

ianefc said:
Textbook exaggeration to prove a point. I said helped or aided. Not won it for them.

Tony Pulis also agrees with me. I know the obvious thing to do now would be is criticise Pulis. But he's forgotten more about football than any of us will ever know.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.bi...eicester-city-boss-10358148.amp?client=safari

ianefc said:
Also I mention Leicester because Ranieri is another manager who gained massively from what went before. He's now gone back to the form he showed as a manager in his previous jobs, including what happened at Greece. He to will be out of a job soon.

What is his form then? You're insinuating that his previous suggests he doesn't win leagues but yet only with the the mighty Pearson's foundations he became a PL winner.

Any in addition, I'm yet to here why Pearson hasn't got another job.
Because of the way he left Leicester?
Big Sam got snapped up despite being embarrassed on an international scale. If Pearson is capable of creating PL winning teams, even if not to the end but as a beginner of the process, why aren't other teams hiring him?
Silence, or in this case the championship, speaks volumes.
That's my opinion though mate. Let's leave it there as your multi quoting in separate posts is making me want to blend my own feet.

ToffeeTim · February 5, 2017

mkrudden said:
What is his form then? You're insinuating that his previous suggests he doesn't win leagues but yet only with the the mighty Pearson's foundations he became a PL winner.

Any in addition, I'm yet to here why Pearson hasn't got another job.
Because of the way he left Leicester?
Big Sam got snapped up despite being embarrassed on an international scale. If Pearson is capable of creating PL winning teams, even if not to the end but as a beginner of the process, why aren't other teams hiring him?
Silence, or in this case the championship, speaks volumes.
That's my opinion though mate. Let's leave it there as your multi quoting in separate posts is making me want to blend my own feet.

Think his lack of a new job is down to him being a mentalist more than being a bad manager.

ianefc · February 5, 2017

mkrudden said:
What is his form then? You're insinuating that his previous suggests he doesn't win leagues but yet only with the the mighty Pearson's foundations he became a PL winner.

Any in addition, I'm yet to here why Pearson hasn't got another job.
Because of the way he left Leicester?
Big Sam got snapped up despite being embarrassed on an international scale. If Pearson is capable of creating PL winning teams, even if not to the end but as a beginner of the process, why aren't other teams hiring him?
Silence, or in this case the championship, speaks volumes.
That's my opinion though mate. Let's leave it there as your multi quoting in separate posts is making me want to blend my own feet.

Like I say, the fans the back room
Staff and club executives agree with me. Can you explain that?

bullybeef · February 5, 2017

mkrudden said:
Source?
And in any event, like you'd have taken 4mill less than you were contractually owed mate.

I recall it being well reported at the time.

Boberto had not accepted the severance package offered and had instructed solicitors.

As you indicate Everton didn't have a leg to stand on (thanks Bill) but they still made him a very reasonable offer. Bob must have known he was struggling and out of his depth. He should have taken the money offered graciously.

Instead he chose to insist on his full contract being paid up. Probably due to greed and possibly out of fear that no one would trust him again by offering such lucrative terms.

The offer was fair and more than what the average football manager can expect to earn for doing a decent job.

It left a very bad taste from someone who claimed to have got Everton.

jinkyali · February 5, 2017

bullybeef said:
I recall it being well reported at the time.

Boberto had not accepted the severance package offered and had instructed solicitors.

As you indicate Everton didn't have a leg to stand on (thanks Bill) but they still made him a very reasonable offer. Bob must have known he was struggling and out of his depth. He should have taken the money offered graciously.

Instead he chose to insist on his full contract being paid up. Probably due to greed and possibly out of fear that no one would trust him again by offering such lucrative terms.

The offer was fair and more than what the average football manager can expect to earn for doing a decent job.

It left a very bad taste from someone who claimed to have got Everton.