Getting In His Face

[toffeejack]

It's what winners do. Mark Noble, while obviously not a winner in terms of talent on the pitch, obviously gets that fine lines you can influence are worth doing.

As long as referees are totally useless and there's no punishment for it, we should be doing it. We won't, as Martinez doesn't believe in influencing little things like the referee and set pieces.

think gerrard's a better example than noble who's probably sole achievement is a play-off winners medal somewhere down the line.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

If the players fumed as much as some of the lads on here, we would get every decision go our way.

 

[McMagic]

Sorry mods in advance but can't find another thread to link this too.

So in our latest capitulation a certain Mark Noble (amongst others) constantly got in the referee's face and it worked to their advantage as it seemed they had the majority of the decisions and yet our captain is the real gentleman and just accepts things!!!!!

Do you think we need someone who can influence the ref, others have it and it works.

A couple of times at the weekend decisions such as:

Mirallas yellow for diving but no yellow for WHUFC player diving, this could have been influenced by an active captain.

Everton penalty, last man send off, this too could have been influenced by a more aggressive captain.

Everton penalty, goalkeeper two yards off goal line.

On numerous occasions not just their captain but several players where constantly chatting to the ref, indeed at half time they escort him off the pitch whilst our team and captain just seem to accept things?

I know people will come back with this isn't the Everton way but it seems it is every other teams way and it works.

How many points have the likes of Stevie Me, John Terry and the likes earned them by standing up for their team and players instead of meekly bowing down to officials!!!

A year ago I was lambasted and deducted points for speaking my mind about Football managers, by a Moderator.
I cannot remember Mark Noble being such a [Poor language removed] before Bilic arrived. Bilic, I might add is probably the biggest cheat ever in football, for
his part in getting captain Laurent Blanc sent off in a World Cup Semi-final and so losing a place in the final for Blanc.
I await my punishment, and just hope that the Moderator hasn't had too bad a day on 'The Beat'.

 

[Jags..class]

I would rather see the likes of Henderson be booked for his abuse to the ref

 

[tim cahill]

We wouldn't have this problem if Besic was captain. The poor guy would give a throw in against us and Mo would go mental.

 

[polish]

Deffo agree with a point that we have too soft players. Not only our rivals should fear Goodison Park but ref's too (and I don't mean to bully them, just press them to have some doubts about non-clear decisions) - that's how you use your home advantage.

And I don't even think it is due to our players personalities. For me it's a lack of team ethos and togetherness. And sadly everything points at a manager who can't inspire them.

 

[Jags..class]

Jags is a gentleman and was no where to be seen when mirralas received his second yellow.

I hate the way Henderson is always swearing at the ref and doesn't even get booked, but players get booked for the slightest contact or taking your shirt of when you score but Henderson allows to swear at the ref over and over.

 

[Ralphie Boy]

A lot of people may be misunderstanding how much I would like our players to get into the ref's face.

I want them to stand up for themselves and their team mates, not to be pushed around. Read how the ref is managing the game so that you know what you can get away with.

There are times when a shoulder barge is a foul for one ref but not another, sometimes the ref puts his cards on the table and we still won't take a peep at them.

I do not want a Gerrard, Noble, Henderson kind of captain but someone with a little bit of balls to say whatever is fitting for the ref's decision.

He should once again be able to read what the ref is allowing and get the message out to the team.

Do we study a ref before a game and know we can get away with this or that? I think not but others must do. It all boils down to a leadership issue both on and off the pitch and not doing our homework.

 

[Chang Elephant]

I want us to cheat, snide, and surround referees.

Martinez Out

 

[Khalekan]

Last man, he walks! Doesn't matter where the foul is. We make it easy for a referee by letting him have an easy ride.

I don't think that was your classic "last man situation.

There were two other players in extremely close proximity.

As @Eric Djemba-Djemba says, it was never a penno in the first place so even without a more "active" captain we were given a crucial decision in our favour.

Now, if you want a penalty incident to include in your pity party list, you should mention the blatant one we had turned down when a boy deflected Mo's shot with his arm

 

[Ralphie Boy]

I don't think that was your classic "last man situation.

There were two other players in extremely close proximity.

As @Eric Djemba-Djemba says, it was never a penno in the first place so even without a more "active" captain we were given a crucial decision in our favour.

Now, if you want a penalty incident to include in your pity party list, you should mention the blatant one we had turned down when a boy deflected Mo's shot with his arm

Whether the decision was correct or not is immaterial, it all goes back to the point that we took the referee's decision as final, we never questioned it, I know it was outside the box, I know the ball was out against City, I know we got given a yellow card for diving when a Hammers player dived and we got the free kick - the point is still that their could be worse punishments be it yellow or red that others help influence and we don't!!!!

 

[Bob Elstone]

Jags is too quiet.

 

[Groucho]

We probably need to stop being the polite, nice guy Everton.

Start kicking up fusses and the refereeing injustices would reduce. They'll never stop, that's football, but maybe they can be lessened.

 

[Khalekan]

Whether the decision was correct or not is immaterial, it all goes back to the point that we took the referee's decision as final, we never questioned it, I know it was outside the box, I know the ball was out against City, I know we got given a yellow card for diving when a Hammers player dived and we got the free kick - the point is still that their could be worse punishments be it yellow or red that others help influence and we don't!!!!

It is not immaterial at all.

There was no question of that fellow being sent off as it was not a "last man" situation.

Not all fouls inside the box, or outside as in that case, are cardable offences.

You are focusing on a bad example which undermines your point, not underscore it.

 

[Ralphie Boy]

It is not immaterial at all.

There was no question of that fellow being sent off as it was not a "last man" situation.

Not all fouls inside the box, or outside as in that case, are cardable offences.

You are focusing on a bad example which undermines your point, not underscore it.

I think you need to read what the thread is all about.

It is about influencing the referee like all teams do except us and gain an advantage.

Therefore it is immaterial because whether it is inside outside or offside we failed to influence a referee to gain an advantage