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Very tragic- rest in peace young man.
You were too quick Mick, I was meant to have been starting a thread mate, stupid old git buggered it up
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You were too quick Mick, I was meant to have been starting a thread mate, stupid old git buggered it up
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Where ever you posted that mate I would have followed. You know how I feel about it.
Seamus Colemole
Previously deathbyropeandglass
I didn't see him describe it as a Mickey Mouse cup we shouldn't even be bothering with.
Seamus Colemole
Previously deathbyropeandglass
Aye, and i choose to see a sensible reply that makes sense in relation to the previous reply.
Royal Blue Jersey
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Very tragic- rest in peace young man.
Agree absolutely. A tragedy.
neonleon
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god you're full of yourself aren't you?
I doubt there is a person on this forum that didn't know that Evertons major concern has always been the league and that similarly priorities are usually along the lines of the league, Europe, FA Cup and then the league cup.
Or that Moyes has always indicated as such.
The point is that I, and I imagine others on this forum have lost respect for you as a supporter. We can get in a semantic debate about how we define a true supporter (or even truth for that matter), but ultimately it implies that you support the team. Saying or implying that you as a supporter, don't support our players magnificent endeavours (or support them conditionally) in the league cup and UEFA cup, efforts and success, makes zero sense to me.
What is this pompous posturing all about? What kind of a name are you trying to make? You support Everton apparently down to certain criteria. How we do in the league.
This is as fair weathered as Newcastle fans or glory hunting united fans.
They say one Everton supporter is worth 20 RS fans. I know a lot of Liverpool fans who wouldn't dream of denigrating a cup competition they were involved in and I can't blame them. Supporters back the team and the teams achievements, not undermine them in order to attempt in futility to prove some pathetic psychological need to look clever and appear wise. I perhaps wouldn't mind if it was particularly original but anyone can come along with received ideas, and lambaste certain competitions above others.
This European competition has been the best thing to happen to Everton since the 80's for me. I doubt I stand alone in that viewpoint.
This is a frankly pseudo intellectual attitude you are adopting and it does not become you.
You posted, "if we win it, thats fine, a guaranteed route into europe, but it wont be any sort of everton apocalypse that re-announces us on the top footballing stage."
Surely you don't mean apocalypse, as the sentence makes no sense then (though that would hardly be a surprise). Perhaps Epoch?
Even your bitter scribble at the end of your messages, the human racist scum? I think you'll find that's a redundancy?
I am utterly astonished that a true blue would be critical of his team for winning games, cutting through Europe like a hot knife through butter, and getting into a semi final.
God help us if we lose at the weekend. You'll probably milk that for all the sad self righteous kudos you can get your hands on won't you? Doubt there will be many fans on here with that much of a sympathetic ear.
FFS if a RS fan came on hear saying what you said, he'd get banned.
This is not philosophy 101, its a forum for supporters. Why can't you support them? Our current team deserve better fans than you, and for the most part, they get those fans (sell outs in europe, fans buzzing of the carling cup).
Tim Howard today or recently pointed to the supporters as an influence on games outcomes. Glad they didn't all turn up spouting crap like, "this poxy banana republic cup"
and
"the uefa cup isnt good enough" and,
"it is so distant it is an excuse."
oh and "hollow type successes"
Yet another redundancy. If you are going to play intellectual, get an education first.
SuitsBlue
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oh dear.
its ''inhuman racist scum'' for starters. and seeing as it didnt happen to you, then perhaps you might like to back off. It wasnt you threatened with police action, it wasnt your personal information vandalised by a website admin, it wasnt you threatened with and isp report, it wasnt you threatened with having your teeth kicked in.
who do you think you are.
as for the rest of your post...
i dont want or crave your respect, i am my own person with my own self respect. if i needed validation from others i would be in severe trouble.
moyes said league is paramount, my list of the 5 competitions in order has been proven correct so far.
i didnt bring true supporter into this, nor did i cast aspersions on your supporting credentials. well done to you for plumbing those depths.
your allegation of my attitude towards the uefa cup is baloney.
pompous posturing? evidence.
i dont give a toss about liverpool fans or their beliefs, why bring them into it?
''psychological need to look clever''? and you level ''philosophy 101'' at me.
'original' and 'received' ideas - in your opinion.
same goes for 'pseudo intellectual attitude'
''cutting through europe like a hot knife through butter'' - not see the metalist and zenit games then?
''sad self righteous kudos'' - what other forums do you belong too? (regards everton)
some brilliant mis-quotes at the end, credibility Zero.
its ''inhuman racist scum'' for starters. and seeing as it didnt happen to you, then perhaps you might like to back off. It wasnt you threatened with police action, it wasnt your personal information vandalised by a website admin, it wasnt you threatened with and isp report, it wasnt you threatened with having your teeth kicked in.
who do you think you are.
as for the rest of your post...
i dont want or crave your respect, i am my own person with my own self respect. if i needed validation from others i would be in severe trouble.
moyes said league is paramount, my list of the 5 competitions in order has been proven correct so far.
i didnt bring true supporter into this, nor did i cast aspersions on your supporting credentials. well done to you for plumbing those depths.
your allegation of my attitude towards the uefa cup is baloney.
pompous posturing? evidence.
i dont give a toss about liverpool fans or their beliefs, why bring them into it?
''psychological need to look clever''? and you level ''philosophy 101'' at me.
'original' and 'received' ideas - in your opinion.
same goes for 'pseudo intellectual attitude'
''cutting through europe like a hot knife through butter'' - not see the metalist and zenit games then?
''sad self righteous kudos'' - what other forums do you belong too? (regards everton)
some brilliant mis-quotes at the end, credibility Zero.
toffeestillidie
Player Valuation: £35m
Suits you can't blame him for questioning your support for the team, you don't sound very much like a supporter to any of us.
i'm not asking you to look at everything through rose coloured glasses, but dammit don't insult and trivialize your own teams accomplishments. it's fine if you're not satisfied with what we've obtained so far, but these things take time, and your moaning is going to get us any cups.
I share leonbil's sentiments (look at my last post), and i'm guessing we're not alone. you complain when Everton wins, Big 4 teams struggle to win games all the time, but they're the big 4 because they pull out results when it counts, which is what we've been doing.
this isn't the first argument i've gotten into with you and i've tried to keep it polite, but dammit you're pushing this too far.
it's you're right to criticize the way we've played all you want, but when you make comments that basically tell other supporters not to be happy about certain accomplishments because they're not important, then i believe you've definitely overstepped.
SuitsBlue
Player Valuation: £50m
''you complain when Everton wins" - that is a generalisation.
i havnt trivialised evertons accomplishments, simply the competition.
i'd much rather the league cup wins were league championship wins.
arsenal at goodison last year in the league, i was glad of the three points, but i would have prefered a solid fought win not a last kick if the game winner. i was glad of it, but it didnt do arsenal justice for how they played.
if i want to revel in half arsed cheating success then i would follow the inbRedS.
im not suggesting anyone here does want that, but i cant and refuse to gloss over problems/issues as i see them.
tell me im talking rubbish, please dont descend into petty personal abuse.
i havnt trivialised evertons accomplishments, simply the competition.
i'd much rather the league cup wins were league championship wins.
arsenal at goodison last year in the league, i was glad of the three points, but i would have prefered a solid fought win not a last kick if the game winner. i was glad of it, but it didnt do arsenal justice for how they played.
if i want to revel in half arsed cheating success then i would follow the inbRedS.
im not suggesting anyone here does want that, but i cant and refuse to gloss over problems/issues as i see them.
tell me im talking rubbish, please dont descend into petty personal abuse.
neonleon
Player Valuation: £35m
"no
this isnt the one
the european cup is the one.
this poxy banana republic cup is so far removed from glory it is embarrassing.
i cannot and will not have FA cup successes soiled by the abomination that is the league cup, we are everton, the uefa cup isnt good enough, like the carling/coca cola/milk/league cup - it is so distant it is an excuse.
not secondary, not tertiary, whats ten times beyond that?
i will laud everton when it is appropriate, i refuse to celebrate the hollow type successes that other clubs thrive upon."
This is your original post, unless you have since edited it. Misquoted?
I highlighted the redundancy to prove a point. I believe that point was proven as you have no riposte to explain your lack of comprehension of redundancy in English language.
you say, "my list of the 5 competitions in order has been proven correct so far. "
That is not my point. A twelve year old everton fan could provide the same list. It's not in any dispute. Only difference - a child would probably be made up that everton were in europe and the semi finals of the carling cup.
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i didnt bring true supporter into this, nor did i cast aspersions on your supporting credentials. well done to you for plumbing those depths."
I plumb the depths when someone is not worthy of the club. We are meant to be chosen. All those fans singing during the UEFA cup and the carling cup speak for me in that they recognise progress, pity you don't even support it, let alone recognise it.
"pompous posturing? evidence."
how about this quote (which I no doubt have misquoted as seemingly when I cut and paste a post of yours my mac somehow "misquotes" you - naughty mac.
" i cannot and will not have FA cup successes soiled by the abomination that is the league cup, we are everton, the uefa cup isnt good enough, like the carling/coca cola/milk/league cup - it is so distant it is an excuse."
what a [Poor language removed] ludicrous high fallooting (no idea how to spell that one) tone. Would perhaps matter more if you were an everton legend. You are a conditional fan so the posturing seems a little silly really.
"''cutting through europe like a hot knife through butter'' - not see the metalist and zenit games then?" - not see the final scoreline?
Please inform me how the above are misquotes..? How? I [Poor language removed] pasted them from your posts?
Considering your posts you are in a fragile position to talk about credibility.
Just some advice that I never thought I'd have to give to a blue. Cheer your team when they are winning.
What do you think Moyes or the first team would think, if you represented the mainstream thought on our cup run and success in europe. To use an americanism - way to go to demotivate our team.
you wrote,
"moyes said league is paramount, my list of the 5 competitions in order has been proven correct so far. " (no doubt again misquoted thanks to my imperfect cut and paste technique.
I wrote,
"I doubt there is a person on this forum that didn't know that Evertons major concern has always been the league and that similarly priorities are usually along the lines of the league, Europe, FA Cup and then the league cup.
Or that Moyes has always indicated as such."
before you posted that. It's common knowledge, common wisdom and pretty much how everyone prioritizes the silverware. Doesn't mean we should [Poor language removed] on the achievements of our team.
You need a rethink la. You are so way off the mark it's not [Poor language removed] true.
this isnt the one
the european cup is the one.
this poxy banana republic cup is so far removed from glory it is embarrassing.
i cannot and will not have FA cup successes soiled by the abomination that is the league cup, we are everton, the uefa cup isnt good enough, like the carling/coca cola/milk/league cup - it is so distant it is an excuse.
not secondary, not tertiary, whats ten times beyond that?
i will laud everton when it is appropriate, i refuse to celebrate the hollow type successes that other clubs thrive upon."
This is your original post, unless you have since edited it. Misquoted?
I highlighted the redundancy to prove a point. I believe that point was proven as you have no riposte to explain your lack of comprehension of redundancy in English language.
you say, "my list of the 5 competitions in order has been proven correct so far. "
That is not my point. A twelve year old everton fan could provide the same list. It's not in any dispute. Only difference - a child would probably be made up that everton were in europe and the semi finals of the carling cup.
"
i didnt bring true supporter into this, nor did i cast aspersions on your supporting credentials. well done to you for plumbing those depths."
I plumb the depths when someone is not worthy of the club. We are meant to be chosen. All those fans singing during the UEFA cup and the carling cup speak for me in that they recognise progress, pity you don't even support it, let alone recognise it.
"pompous posturing? evidence."
how about this quote (which I no doubt have misquoted as seemingly when I cut and paste a post of yours my mac somehow "misquotes" you - naughty mac.
" i cannot and will not have FA cup successes soiled by the abomination that is the league cup, we are everton, the uefa cup isnt good enough, like the carling/coca cola/milk/league cup - it is so distant it is an excuse."
what a [Poor language removed] ludicrous high fallooting (no idea how to spell that one) tone. Would perhaps matter more if you were an everton legend. You are a conditional fan so the posturing seems a little silly really.
"''cutting through europe like a hot knife through butter'' - not see the metalist and zenit games then?" - not see the final scoreline?
Please inform me how the above are misquotes..? How? I [Poor language removed] pasted them from your posts?
Considering your posts you are in a fragile position to talk about credibility.
Just some advice that I never thought I'd have to give to a blue. Cheer your team when they are winning.
What do you think Moyes or the first team would think, if you represented the mainstream thought on our cup run and success in europe. To use an americanism - way to go to demotivate our team.
you wrote,
"moyes said league is paramount, my list of the 5 competitions in order has been proven correct so far. " (no doubt again misquoted thanks to my imperfect cut and paste technique.
I wrote,
"I doubt there is a person on this forum that didn't know that Evertons major concern has always been the league and that similarly priorities are usually along the lines of the league, Europe, FA Cup and then the league cup.
Or that Moyes has always indicated as such."
before you posted that. It's common knowledge, common wisdom and pretty much how everyone prioritizes the silverware. Doesn't mean we should [Poor language removed] on the achievements of our team.
You need a rethink la. You are so way off the mark it's not [Poor language removed] true.
TheDevils2001
Player Valuation: £15m
Ok, guys let's cool it everyone has it's own way of seeing things and if you think you would be saying something that might upset another fellow fan then just keep it to yourself, that way no one would be upset!
It's rather interesting you were happy we have got the 3 points against Arsenal but you weren't happy because we didn't win it by out playing them and so it didn't do Arsenal justice for how they played, because we score with virtually the last kick?
I am not telling you to be a blind Everton fan, I am sure everyone know who played better on the day, they were attacking more and we defended even better and we taken the only good chance and won, what's wrong with that?
You are making your own life more difficult for yourself, you have too much pride so you couldn't accept when opponent played better than us and yet we've got the 3 points you feel unacceptable and injustice and we didn't deserve the 3 points!
I am sorry, but that is football for you I am pretty sure it is not the first time you see a team that has outplay another team yet they couldn't score and the other team won with just one chance!
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