Gerrard to leave LFC...

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Ashtonian said:
noticed on facebook last night akinfenwa had scored so excitedly (bit exaggeration) got sky sports on my phone to see how league 2 wimbeldon had done.

Gerrard inspires liverpool to win.

ffs, was he really that inspirational? And more to the point, for a recent england captain, shot or not, its league 2 wimbeldon not barcelona.
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typical mate ! He was god awful all game, legs gone, fell over a few times, took every freekick and..... scored twice. One though, the goalie should have headed out.
 
Jim Lahey said:
Exactly what I've noticed. They will be turning on the owners even though they gave Brent £200,000,000 to play with.
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I posted this in the LFC thread. But you can already see the worm starting to turn on Rodgers over this. Shearer last night asking why he is leaving. Alan Brazil and Ray Houghton this morning, Carragher in the Mail. When the likes of Alan Brazil and his ilk of populists begin to turn on you with their “common sense” (normally a nice mixture of jingoism, populism and stupidity) you know you are in a spot of bother.

What is clear is that Gerrard has played a duplicitous role throughout this process and has basically tried to undermine Rodgers and the club over it. I think Gerrard’s strategy when all this started was one of two things. 1) Pressure Rodgers to bow down to him and make him central 2) If he didn’t do that put so much pressure onto Rodgers that he had to leave.

In many ways fortune played into Rodgers hands at first as they struggled with Gerrard in, while did better without him. But with every good performance from Gerrard the pressure builds. It’s too late for Rodgers to make peace with Gerrard. He will never get another chance to play at the Bernabau again and Rodgers took his last opportunity to do so. Like Benitez before him, once Gerrard felt his time was up he was sacked, with the puppets in the media like Redknap doing his dirty work.

For his part I think Rodgers would quite happily see Gerrard out of the side now. He exerts more influence and control than him and he has downed tools. The problem Rodgers and Liverpool face is how do they justify it?

You can’t come out and say he doesn’t suit the system as any form of criticism of the Holy Gerrard will be viewed as blasphemy and he’ll be hung quicker than Pilate can say Barrabas. You can’t say Gerrard wanted to leave because Gerrard has already leaked to the media that he’s only left because of lack of playing time and he wanted to stay. So you get this grubby compromise. They make out he is now too old. This works quite well. The only problem comes when Gerrard continues to race around like a headless chicken, and for the uneducated talksport listener means he has more use than Lucas.

What they should say is that Gerrard is a selfish and overated football player, who’s sense of ego and need for the rest of the team to play to accommodate his needs has greatly damaged Liverpool. Now at the age he is at he is no longer able to occasionally lift them out of trouble. Lots of players have been sacrificed to ensure they got the best out of Gerrard, Alonso, Mascherano, Lucas, Torres. Rather than playing to their strengths they made them fit in around Gerrard and ultimately he failed to deliver.

In the modern day it’s now Henderson, Allen, Sturridge, Lallana and Coutinho who have to change their game for him. For England you can add Rooney, Scholes, Lampard, Wiltshire and Barkley to the list of players who have been stinted by the desire to shoe horn Gerrard in. This would require breaking the orthodoxy of the fans though and it would be bullets in the post time. It doesn’t fit the fictional narrative they have for themselves. It does strike me as interesting though, how all of these players who play with Gerrard tend to improve when they move into a side without him. Rooney, Scholes, Lampard, Alonso, Mascherano. All players who withered while having to play next to him.

They have tried him in defensive midfield. The truth is that he is too selfish a player to be able to perform this role. This will be amplified now he is looking to prove his point by playing for himself, looking to score goals and crash into tackles. I can see Rodgers coming under increasing pressure over this.

A toxic mixture of romanticism, lack of intelligence, lack of understanding about football and a collective cult of idiocy permeates from Liverpool fans. Within such an adversarial outlook you need heroes and villains. You can’t just see someone as “a decent manager” or “a good box to box midfield players”. They have to be the new Shankly, or the best midfielder ever, or a villain who has shirts burnt and bullets in the post. For Rodgers I can very easily see him being caste as the villain in this piece of pantomime. For Gerrard history repeats itself, first as tragedy, then as farce.
 
Thanks for the laughs Slippy G, it's sad to see you go but I'm sure you'll brighten up the mood of many American fans. Make sure you avoid DJ's.

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catcherintherye said:
I posted this in the LFC thread. But you can already see the worm starting to turn on Rodgers over this. Shearer last night asking why he is leaving. Alan Brazil and Ray Houghton this morning, Carragher in the Mail. When the likes of Alan Brazil and his ilk of populists begin to turn on you with their “common sense” (normally a nice mixture of jingoism, populism and stupidity) you know you are in a spot of bother.

What is clear is that Gerrard has played a duplicitous role throughout this process and has basically tried to undermine Rodgers and the club over it. I think Gerrard’s strategy when all this started was one of two things. 1) Pressure Rodgers to bow down to him and make him central 2) If he didn’t do that put so much pressure onto Rodgers that he had to leave.

In many ways fortune played into Rodgers hands at first as they struggled with Gerrard in, while did better without him. But with every good performance from Gerrard the pressure builds. It’s too late for Rodgers to make peace with Gerrard. He will never get another chance to play at the Bernabau again and Rodgers took his last opportunity to do so. Like Benitez before him, once Gerrard felt his time was up he was sacked, with the puppets in the media like Redknap doing his dirty work.

For his part I think Rodgers would quite happily see Gerrard out of the side now. He exerts more influence and control than him and he has downed tools. The problem Rodgers and Liverpool face is how do they justify it?

You can’t come out and say he doesn’t suit the system as any form of criticism of the Holy Gerrard will be viewed as blasphemy and he’ll be hung quicker than Pilate can say Barrabas. You can’t say Gerrard wanted to leave because Gerrard has already leaked to the media that he’s only left because of lack of playing time and he wanted to stay. So you get this grubby compromise. They make out he is now too old. This works quite well. The only problem comes when Gerrard continues to race around like a headless chicken, and for the uneducated talksport listener means he has more use than Lucas.

What they should say is that Gerrard is a selfish and overated football player, who’s sense of ego and need for the rest of the team to play to accommodate his needs has greatly damaged Liverpool. Now at the age he is at he is no longer able to occasionally lift them out of trouble. Lots of players have been sacrificed to ensure they got the best out of Gerrard, Alonso, Mascherano, Lucas, Torres. Rather than playing to their strengths they made them fit in around Gerrard and ultimately he failed to deliver.

In the modern day it’s now Henderson, Allen, Sturridge, Lallana and Coutinho who have to change their game for him. For England you can add Rooney, Scholes, Lampard, Wiltshire and Barkley to the list of players who have been stinted by the desire to shoe horn Gerrard in. This would require breaking the orthodoxy of the fans though and it would be bullets in the post time. It doesn’t fit the fictional narrative they have for themselves. It does strike me as interesting though, how all of these players who play with Gerrard tend to improve when they move into a side without him. Rooney, Scholes, Lampard, Alonso, Mascherano. All players who withered while having to play next to him.

They have tried him in defensive midfield. The truth is that he is too selfish a player to be able to perform this role. This will be amplified now he is looking to prove his point by playing for himself, looking to score goals and crash into tackles. I can see Rodgers coming under increasing pressure over this.

A toxic mixture of romanticism, lack of intelligence, lack of understanding about football and a collective cult of idiocy permeates from Liverpool fans. Within such an adversarial outlook you need heroes and villains. You can’t just see someone as “a decent manager” or “a good box to box midfield players”. They have to be the new Shankly, or the best midfielder ever, or a villain who has shirts burnt and bullets in the post. For Rodgers I can very easily see him being caste as the villain in this piece of pantomime. For Gerrard history repeats itself, first as tragedy, then as farce.
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So to sum it up....going nowhere you reckon? I agree if so...
 
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