Full Capacity Stadiums set to be allowed in England for new season

[davek]

A lot of stadiums are full capacity here in the states and rates have plummeted. If your vaccination rate is high enough, it seems like it’s perfectly fine.

Because you haven't until very recently seen the Indian variant take hold and increase infection exponentially. You will.

 

[ToffeeTim]

By the time the season starts the infection rate is predicted to be 100,000 per day as a result of fully opening up.

Anyone wanting to step into a 40K capacity football ground are odd to say the least.

No one will be forcing you to go to any matches Dave.

Our vaccination levels by mid August will be approaching 90% so if that's not the time to open up fully, then there will never be a time for some. The virus is not going to disappear at any time soon in the future, and zero covid is an impossible goal to achieve.

 

[ToffeeTim]

100,000 infections per day is millions over a month. Do you want to take a chance on these vaccines holding the line when there's evidence already that increased infections lead to hospitlaisation and deaths with or without them? Not to mention the affect of long covid.

Football matches at full capacity in that environment - that cant possibly happen. If it does then you'll know that barbarism has been accepted in the UK, we no longer live in a rational world - and football stadium attendance or non-attendance becomes the least of our troubles.

Yes

They are working

 

[davek]

Yeah i get long covid argument, really do, and thats the one i personally, and selfishly want to stay clear of, but my point remains that the figures we should be led by cant be infection rates but actual society wide concerns such as hospitals failing to deal with (on top of the fact theyve been overrun at times for the past 5 years before covid) or worse still deaths from covid.
Imo at some stage we need to open the doors and face it, and if vaccinations are working in the main, then when is that time?

Ask the milions of elderly and vulnerable people whether they want to take their chance in this Brave New World without restrictions. They stand the most to lose. Their lives.

If Everton are opening their doors to 40,000 people in the teeth of millions of people being infected in August/September, then what right have they (or any other football club) to call themselves a community focussed organisation?

None.

 

[davek]

Yes

They are working

Take a look at the rising hospitalisation and deaths amongst even the vaccinated.

It's unbeleivable that just to see a football match some people are willing to put the health of others in danger.

Just stay out of the grounds. What a statement that'd be to this rancid government if football supporters boycotted their own grounds in a protest at the intention to spead the virus and achieve a level of antibodies amongst the unvaccinated younger population...because that's what opening up football grounds (and nightclubs) is all about.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Take a look at the rising hospitalisation and deaths amongst even the vaccinated.

It's unbeleivable that just to see a football match some people are willing to put the health of others in danger.

Just stay out of the grounds. What a statement that'd be to this rancid government if football supporters boycotted their own grounds in a protest at the intention to spead the virus and achieve a level of antibodies amongst the unvaccinated younger population...because that's what opening up football grounds (and nightclubs) is all about.

There is no vaccine in history with 100% effectiveness but this one is working extremely well, with well over 90% protection. The cases are rising but unlike in Dec/Jan, the hospitalisations are not rising at anywhere near the same level. If that isn't proof of how well these vaccines work, then I don't know what is. In terms of the unvaccinated young people, they can book a jab right now so we need to encourage them to do it. We can't just never fully open up because people are refusing to get a vaccine. We will never get 100% take up.

It's simple for me, those who feel uncomfortable in crowds are perfectly entitled not to go. Those who want to go then should be free to go. The extremely successful vaccine programme has allowed us to get to a position where we can adopt personal responsibility and personal choice, and it's been a long 16 months.

No one is selfish for wanting to go to a match. No one is selfish for wanting to get back to normal. That argument is just utterly ridiculous.

 

[davek]

There is no vaccine in history with 100% effectiveness but this one is working extremely well, with well over 90% protection. The cases are rising but unlike in Dec/Jan, the hospitalisations are not rising at anywhere near the same level. If that isn't proof of how well these vaccines work, then I don't know what is. In terms of the unvaccinated young people, they can book a jab right now so we need to encourage them to do it. We can't just never fully open up because people are refusing to get a vaccine. We will never get 100% take up.

It's simple for me, those who feel uncomfortable in crowds are perfectly entitled not to go. Those who want to go then should be free to go. The extremely successful vaccine programme has allowed us to get to a position where we can adopt personal responsibility and personal choice, and it's been a long 16 months.

No one is selfish for wanting to go to a match. No one is selfish for wanting to get back to normal. That argument is just utterly ridiculous.

It hasn't been fully tested yet. It's beginning to creak now though. With 100,000 per day infections the hospitals will breakdown. Also, long covid sufferers will rise massively.

This is an insane policy, and I dont want to see Everton FC follow government policy. It's up to the PL and FA to lobby government to take them out of the firing line...because when this goes tits up football will be in the frame for it.

 

[Ihaters]

Hate to side with Dave on principle but he's right, what's the point in locking down for a year, then saying ah sod it, lets all have massive get togethers all over the Country to watch a football game.
Popping the bubble now with a vaccine that has been proven ineffective in many cases as our shield is mental imo.

 

[deipnosophist]

Idiocracy, kleptocracy, and kakistocracy...systems of governance you serfs should acquaint yourselves with...because you're under their yoke.

 

[Ihaters]

 

[Leylo]

Hate to side with Dave on principle but he's right, what's the point in locking down for a year, then saying ah sod it, lets all have massive get togethers all over the Country to watch a football game.
Popping the bubble now with a vaccine that has been proven ineffective in many cases as our shield is mental imo.

So never go out and do anything again ffs. When the normal flu arrives stay in as well ,goes on and on. Peoples mental also left on their own for months ,got to put trust in the vaccine it's the only answer

 

[4737carlin]

50% capacity should be the max, last night Wembley wasnt even full, these games will lead to a rise.

Euro 2020: Wembley steward's shocking tale of fan fake test results to get into matches

This Wembley steward says fans are turning up with screenshots of other people's negative tests to get into the game.

www.lbc.co.uk

 

[carolinablue232]

Because you haven't until very recently seen the Indian variant take hold and increase infection exponentially. You will.

Ah, so now you know more than the medical experts about this as well. The Delta variant is already the most common here for new cases and vaccines are proving to hold up. So no Dave, it’s not a doomsday scenario to have vaccinated people in a stadium.

 

[everton1953]

It's simple. If you are young go to the match. If you are over 50 and had two jabs go to the match. If you are a vaccine or Covid denier or just not been vaccinated, stay away. Normality, similar to public acceptance of flu risk, is not far away. That is the ultimate goal.

 

[Carloblues]

50% capacity should be the max, last night Wembley wasnt even full, these games will lead to a rise.

Euro 2020: Wembley steward's shocking tale of fan fake test results to get into matches

This Wembley steward says fans are turning up with screenshots of other people's negative tests to get into the game.

www.lbc.co.uk

It's literally so simple.

If you have a ticket and are scared or vulnerable you have the choice not to go, just because football is back on they aren't forcing you to go.