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[Sim]

I dont know how real his figure is - that's why he should have broken it down. Comparison with other grounds tell us nothing because each build has its own idiosyncrasies: what can be utilised/what has to be scrapped and built anew. How can Elstone possibly be taken seriously in his 'effort' to explain the financial case of Kirkby if he cant furnish us with these crucial facts? It's the same vague fog of disinformation that has dogged this project from day one.

Why should he? Business dont usually break figures down to the exact detail for the public.

At the end of the day they dont need to prove anything to us, Everton is a business, the board control the business and we are customers. Their job is to make the business succesfull as they see fit, not explain exactly how the business is run to their customers.

 

[Chris]

I've just had what is in effect a vegetable curry with boiled rice in work. It was pretty damn good. It felt a bit wrong with no meat in it, but I have to say I was quite taken with it.

Curry without meat. The future?

 

[Makis]

Why are most teams moving grounds instead of rebuilding - Arsenal and the [Poor language removed] for eg?

And why are others redeveloping their existing stadiums? Why did Manchester United, the most succesfull club in England do? Aston Villa? Newcastle?

Arsenal moved, because they wanted a truly world-class stadium and it didn't fit in the footprint of the old (and they would have had to demolish the old stadium completely before starting the build, meaning several seasons playing at some other stadium). The same holds true to our neighbours. But Everton isn't going to build a 400-million pound stadium.

Dont they move because its financially better than rebuilding? Cheaper?

You think Arsenal couldn't have redeveloped Highbury for 400 million?

If Elstone did make up a figure why 230million? Why not £300million while he's at it?

Because there is a line where the figure would get ridiculous.

Emirates Stadium project cost £430 million, that was building from scratch, which is mostly what you would have to do with GP, you think just cos they have a base that it would be cheaper? Every stand would have to be rebuilt, from top to bottom, to mostly fall in line with updated building regulations.

Emirates is completely irrelevant to Everton, we will never build anything like that. Just compare it's price to Kirkby's price, you could just as well ask why it doesn't cost 430 million as well?

It was announced on 2 April 2007 that the club intend to submit plans for a new £300million development of the stadium and surrounding areas, to include a major conference centre, hotels and luxury apartments.

So it would have cost Newcastle 300m to expand the stadium they already, that they redeveloped in 2000 for 42m. So thats 342m, take away the major conference centre, hotels and luxury apartments. And do you not think that the figure of 230m that the club said becomes real?[/QUOTE]
And how much of the cost can be contributed to these other facilities? Or was Elstone thinking of building a conference center, hotels and luxury apartments as well?

As for the 42 million, question is, if they had started this massive project without committing to that 42 million first, would the total cost been 342 million (e.g. none of the 42 million is now wasted)?

 

[teppic]

I've just had what is in effect a vegetable curry with boiled rice in work. It was pretty damn good. It felt a bit wrong with no meat in it, but I have to say I was quite taken with it.

Curry without meat. The future?

i have that quite often as i'm trying to cut meat out of the diet. it's not bad at all!

btw... i had to do a double take when this dude called chris had made over a thousand posts.

 

[kenada_blue]

And why are others redeveloping their existing stadiums? Why did Manchester United, the most succesfull club in England do? Aston Villa? Newcastle?

Because those stadiums were built to be added on to. United's ground was specifically rebuilt to allow them to add and expand, same with Newcastle's (even though Mikelsgoat says Newcastle were going to move at one point).

Their grounds dont need a ground-up rebuild. Ours does. Its cheaper for them to rebuild.

 

[coyney]

I really dont see the point of going round in circles unless Kirkby gets thrown out Bill rightly or wrongly sees it as the way forward.some say for the could of the club others say for the good of Bill and his cohorts.all the discussions and EGMs will not change it.if every shareholder apart from Bill and his mates say no it wont alter the fact that Bill has a huge majority.So lets wait for the verdict .

 

[Makis]

Because those stadiums were built to be added on to. United's ground was specifically rebuilt to allow them to add and expand, same with Newcastle's (even though Mikelsgoat says Newcastle were going to move at one point).

Yes, they were going to move because they thought they couldn't increase the capacity to required levels at SJP. Skempton showed how it can be done.

Their grounds dont need a ground-up rebuild. Ours does. Its cheaper for them to rebuild.

Yes, and it's more expensive to build a new stadium than what they did, as well.

 

[uknightbreed]

i cant find any info , but was the ground share issue raised ?

i still think , aslong as both clubs have equal standing , that this is a great and sensible option.

 

[Sim]

i cant find any info , but was the ground share issue raised ?

i still think , aslong as both clubs have equal standing , that this is a great and sensible option.

I think so too, putting all our money together with all the backing we could both get would probably give us the finest stand in the country if not one of the best football grounds in the world.

Unfortunately, I can never see the boards of either club or the fans ever working together well enough to get a a stadium built, let alone one that would be truly equal.

 

[uknightbreed]

I think so too, putting all our money together with all the backing we could both get would probably give us the finest stand in the country if not one of the best football grounds in the world.

Unfortunately, I can never see the boards of either club or the fans ever working together well enough to get a a stadium built, let alone one that would be truly equal.

personnaly i dont think its so much the boards that are totally against it but the people who are gonna make money from the stadiums.(contracters , lawyers , councils etc)

ie 2 x 200 million stadiums will put more money in peoples pockets than 1 big one.

obviously the boards are a bit iffy , but im just suggesting that there are people in the shadows who willl put the move down as much as possible just so they can have a bigger share of the silver, milking liverpool and everton from both ends.

 

[Sim]

personnaly i dont think its so much the boards that are totally against it but the people who are gonna make money from the stadiums.(contracters , lawyers , councils etc)

ie 2 x 200 million stadiums will put more money in peoples pockets than 1 big one.

obviously the boards are a bit iffy , but im just suggesting that there are people in the shadows who willl put the move down as much as possible just so they can have a bigger share of the silver, milking liverpool and everton from both ends.

Yeah true, there are plenty of people who will make a lot of money buy everton and liverpool building separate stadiums, but the liverpool board have already said they would not entertain the thought of sharing with us.

 

[kenada_blue]

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Yes, and it's more expensive to build a new stadium than what they did, as well.

Of course it can be done for us, its will just cost more than building a new stadium. Unless Elstone's jumping on the lie brigade he said redevelopment would be £230million. Its pretty much building a new ground from scratch at GP for £200+million.

Or we could do the same for a fraction of the cost a few miles away that would be better facilitated than GP now.

Its simple really. No one's saying dont rebuild GP or it cant be done. It can and it would be the best option. But we our options are limited (unless someone comes up with another alternative which the board have now mentioned they'd take on). You just have 2 options and cheap one and an expensive one. The logistics and planning around it (whether its right for the club is a different argument though

 

[uknightbreed]

Yeah true, there are plenty of people who will make a lot of money buy everton and liverpool building separate stadiums, but the liverpool board have already said they would not entertain the thought of sharing with us.

i think the closest they have got to agreeing to a shared stadium is them saying the stadium is theres but we can be lodgers.

i dont think thats the best for us , and would just widen the gapbeween the earnings of the 2 clubs.

obviously , they have more money and more income , but im sure if we can afford kirkby then we should be able to match them 50.50 on a shared stadium costs.

they will still have the same income , but there building costs will be halved.

 

[Sim]

i think the closest they have got to agreeing to a shared stadium is them saying the stadium is theres but we can be lodgers.

i dont think thats the best for us , and would just widen the gapbeween the earnings of the 2 clubs.

obviously , they have more money and more income , but im sure if we can afford kirkby then we should be able to match them 50.50 on a shared stadium costs.

they will still have the same income , but there building costs will be halved.

Whats actually happening with their stadium now then? I've lost track of their progress on it.

 

[kenada_blue]

The things on hold while the owners find the money for it.