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[dead_soft]

cancel culture, tho':

translation: tv star fired for not choosing to get the vaccine, citing it makes for an unsafe workplace...unsafe for who??

ARD-Krimistar Eva Herzig verweigert Impfung und wird gekündigt

Der zuletzt aus dem "Steirerkrimi" bekannte TV-Star Eva Herzig will sich nicht verbiegen lassen und verweigert die Impfung. Die Produktionsfirma reagierte darauf unter Verweis auf eine "Sorgfaltspflicht" gegenüber den Mitarbeitern mit der Beendigung der Zusammenarbeit.

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Unsafe for those unable to get the vaccine. That's not cancel culture. And you've just highlighted one of the biggest issues with cancel culture - it has been broadened to be a meaningless term. It's too diffuse and this is a purposeful tactic from people trying to dismiss 'woke' people as part of some widespread cancel culture

 

[dead_soft]

investigate, discover they were made a decade ago when he was a boy. ensure he apologises and profoundly understands he was out of order back then.

that should be it. why suspend him?

He wasn't a boy though was he? He was 18. Plenty of people have done stupid stuff at 18 or 19 but it's not a free pass for everything. His actions were at odds with the campaign currently being supported by the ECB and the players. He's not lost his chance to ever play for England again and it's unfortunate for him. Hopefully the investigation shows he is remorseful and the ECB feel that he'll be an adequate representative for them but I'm not sure it's some huge issue that they've suspended him during this investigation as it would make it quite tricky to not.

 

[Bishop Thumpety-Thump]

investigate, discover they were made a decade ago when he was a boy. ensure he apologises and profoundly understands he was out of order back then.

that should be it. why suspend him?

He was 18 and 19 when he wrote those tweets, so, demonstrably not a boy but a grown man.

Incidentally just because something on social media has 10k likes does not make it automatically worthy of consideration. A cursory glance at Facebook tells me that the Flat Earth Society has 67k members. Before their ban Britain First's Facebook page had over 2 million likes*. Do you think either of these organisations have anything to say that's worth considering?

*https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-43398417

 

[ste d' indica]

Unsafe for those unable to get the vaccine. That's not cancel culture. And you've just highlighted one of the biggest issues with cancel culture - it has been broadened to be a meaningless term. It's too diffuse and this is a purposeful tactic from people trying to dismiss 'woke' people as part of some widespread cancel culture

Honestly mate, I wouldn't waste your time:

See above.

 

[trueblue84]

He was 18 and 19 when he wrote those tweets, so, demonstrably not a boy but a grown man.

Incidentally just because something on social media has 10k likes does not make it automatically worthy of consideration. A cursory glance at Facebook tells me that the Flat Earth Society has 67k members. Before their ban Britain First's Facebook page had over 2 million likes*. Do you think either of these organisations have anything to say that's worth considering?

*https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-43398417

I haven't seen all of his tweets, but were any really bad? The ones I saw were certainly poor jokes, but not what I'd consider offensive.

 

[Bishop Thumpety-Thump]

I haven't seen all of his tweets, but were any really bad? The ones I saw were certainly poor jokes, but not what I'd consider offensive.

The ones I've seen were crap Muslim jokes and sexist/smutty comments about female gamers, not sure if there are any worse ones that haven't been published but I presume that's what the suspension is for, to dig through everything he posted and decide on what action (if any) to take next. Same as Ben Stokes being suspended while awaiting trial despite being innocent until proved guilty, must be a standard ECB procedure to suspend until investigations are complete.

Just to clarify, I'm not defending or denigrating him, just pointing out that it's nothing to do with 'cancel culture', which is what our desperate to be offended friend was claiming.

 

[Tubey]

He wasn't a boy though was he? He was 18. Plenty of people have done stupid stuff at 18 or 19 but it's not a free pass for everything. His actions were at odds with the campaign currently being supported by the ECB and the players. He's not lost his chance to ever play for England again and it's unfortunate for him. Hopefully the investigation shows he is remorseful and the ECB feel that he'll be an adequate representative for them but I'm not sure it's some huge issue that they've suspended him during this investigation as it would make it quite tricky to not.

Thing is, the investigation is already done. Every tweet he did is in the public sphere - there's nothing to investigate as there's nothing recent.

There should be a bit of common sense applied. If he said these things last year, then sure, I understand the offence. But a kid a decade ago mouthing off stupid stuff on Twitter? It should just be a case of apologise and move on. Otherwise, what's the point of apologising if the perpetually offended want your blood regardless of what you say or think?

 

[Jamo Martinez]

i'd disagree with that. i lived in London 98-05, so the peak Blair years. There was loads of great opportunity for eager young folk, educational/social programs and the like. i myself got an adult-ed teacher cert. paid for by such programs, i was told pre-Blair these had to be personally paid for.

Yous have to remember that if you consider New Labour tory-lite, then UK literally hasn't had a proper Labour government since the 70's.

You'd think Labour voters might want to win an election at some point, what with the amount of fuming they do at tories (and daily mail readers).

Opposition is easier, tho'. Less responsibility.

I do consider that Britain hasn't had a proper Labour govt since the 70s.

Blair himself is quoted as saying he'd rather see the conservatives win than see a socialist led Labour govt.
His disciples in the party obviously feel the same as they sabotaged Corbyn's chances in 2017. And finished off the job in 2019 by pressuring him to accept the idea of a second referéndum, thus alienating vast swathes of Brexiteers in labour heartlands.

 

[dead_soft]

Thing is, the investigation is already done. Every tweet he did is in the public sphere - there's nothing to investigate as there's nothing recent.

There should be a bit of common sense applied. If he said these things last year, then sure, I understand the offence. But a kid a decade ago mouthing off stupid stuff on Twitter? It should just be a case of apologise and move on. Otherwise, what's the point of apologising if the perpetually offended want your blood regardless of what you say or think?

‘A kid’ - an adult, actually.

It wasn’t just mouthing off was it? It was racial slurs, homophobia and sexism. And I assume the investigation is a bit more than ‘are these tweets there’ and will more involve whether the ECB feels it means he is not someone they want representing the organisation. Personally I feel an apology and a commitment that he was wrong was enough however I don’t think it’s a huge issue that ECB want to thoroughly investigate and I also find it curious the number of people who try to suggest this was just mouthing off and that people thinking he should be called to task for it are somehow perpetually offended.

 

[Tubey]

‘A kid’ - an adult, actually.

It wasn’t just mouthing off was it? It was racial slurs, homophobia and sexism. And I assume the investigation is a bit more than ‘are these tweets there’ and will more involve whether the ECB feels it means he is not someone they want representing the organisation. Personally I feel an apology and a commitment that he was wrong was enough however I don’t think it’s a huge issue that ECB want to thoroughly investigate and I also find it curious the number of people who try to suggest this was just mouthing off and that people thinking he should be called to task for it are somehow perpetually offended.

Well, they are.

 

[longers]

The way some go on (no one in this thread) you'd think being a racist little turd was just a normal phase all 18 year olds go through.

 

[dead_soft]

Well, they are.

Interesting where people put their efforts and focus when complaining about cancel culture and the perpetually offended isn’t it?

 

[Tubey]

The way some go on (no one in this thread) you'd think being a racist little turd was just a normal phase all 18 year olds go through.

Don't think it's normal, but also don't think someone should lose their jobs for it a decade later if they've displayed none of that behaviour since.

 

[Wizard]

Don't think it's normal, but also don't think someone should lose their jobs for it a decade later if they've displayed none of that behaviour since.

But that's why there is an investigation happening. If it was purely stuff he posted as an 18 year old and there is no sign of the same behaviour since then he has clearly grown as a person. Fair enough. But I think it is right for the ECB to look into it in case there is more than just those tweets

 

[Charro]

Thought those tweets were sickening myself.

He was 18, an adult in the eyes of the law who should know better.

Was I perfect when I was his age? Nope, but I didn’t post stuff like he did and he should face consequences for it.

He hasn’t been cancelled. He’s been suspended pending an investigation, which will no doubt ensure there aren’t worrying patterns of behaviour that go beyond tweets from ten years ago.