Papa Shango
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If you want to compare wildly different timescales then fine. It's still pointless, especially the Hodgson one.
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If you want to compare wildly different timescales then fine. It's still pointless, especially the Hodgson one.
That banner was so cringeworthy it's unbelievable (the solo lo mejor one). I told you, the school of science reopening was the inconsequential part when you open it and it turns out you have no idea how to run it, you're a [Poor language removed] teacher and you do everything wrong.It's all nonsense mate. All fluff. Inconsequential. History can just as easily point to portrayals like this:
...and this...
They all fall by the wayside though when the data is added up and the words in the history books written. And it will just state this:
"Roberto got off to a great first season when records were set for the club in the Premier League, as the Spaniard brought in a more possession based football style. Unfortunately, that standard could not be maintained and performances by and large in the following two seasons in the Premier League were disappointing. Though good runs in cup competitions domestically and in Europe offset that poor league form, Roberto and the club agreed to part company at the end of his third season in the Goodison Park hotseat."
An anodyne and safe assessment avoiding controversy (as they always do) and not without a large chunk of factual content.
In short: there is the history of Everton under Martinez which you and your cohorts would prefer to see written up, then there's the reality based on truth and conservative respectability.
He had one good season, coincidentally with Moyes' defensive core. That's that. After all his true colours/abilities showed and he wanted to sign Elmohamady. ELMOHAMADY for god's sake, David. You're slating our current manager, who you blindly hate, for wanting to sign "a Dutch no mark" despite that "no mark" having a decent record, but you're turning a blind eye to your favourite person in the universe trying to sign a player relegated more times than Chico's mar's been around town ffs!
Assuming that's from evertonfc.com? As if the club would commit PR suicide and admit their mistake. It wasn't an "agreement to part company with", he was fired for god's sake. Every other source has him as fired, every media outlet, even wikipedia says there were problems and protests when he got fired.
PMSL at "me and my cohorts" though. I'm glad to be one of the 99.9% of Evertonians out there who saw Bobert for what he truly was. Thanks
Also talk to me about reality, shame I'm at work (and even if I wasn't I really cba with this bullcrap), otherwise I'd link you to your extremely stupid statements in that last season, including "the statue of Dixie should be replaced with a Martinez one", a personal fave.
It's not, but we, as a fanbase, had to show our true feelings somehow, right?
Gwladysstreetlad
Player Valuation: £50m
I was directly comparing one achievement. Dave suggested (repeatedly) that Martinez is doing quite well in the qualifiers and I pointed out that Roy Hodgson had a perfect qualification record while England boss. Its a ligitimate point. Just as me saying Bobby Gould winning an FA cup didn't make him a good manager either.
wilfjacko
Player Valuation: £8m
I have a strong feeling that you're wasting your time.
There are none so blind as those who will not see.
hktoffee
Birds of a feather flock together
I really appreciate with the Evertonians who did that. They had done that to voice their concern and paid the plane from their own pockets.
hktoffee
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Papa Shango
Player Valuation: £70m
Papa Shango
Player Valuation: £70m
No not really. Everybody was already aware of said feelings.
Getting a plane is such a "look at me" type thing to do. Let the other lot do stuff like that.
hktoffee
Birds of a feather flock together
It's all nonsense mate. All fluff. Inconsequential. History can just as easily point to portrayals like this:
...and this...
They all fall by the wayside though when the data is added up and the words in the history books written. And it will just state this:
"Roberto got off to a great first season when records were set for the club in the Premier League, as the Spaniard brought in a more possession based football style. Unfortunately, that standard could not be maintained and performances by and large in the following two seasons in the Premier League were disappointing. Though good runs in cup competitions domestically and in Europe offset that poor league form, Roberto and the club agreed to part company at the end of his third season in the Goodison Park hotseat."
An anodyne and safe assessment avoiding controversy (as they always do) and not without a large chunk of factual content.
In short: there is the history of Everton under Martinez which you and your cohorts would prefer to see written up, then there's the reality based on a mixture of truth and conservative respectability.
Your banners and evidences showing your hero who was having a good time lasted for one season.
The banners and evidences showing RM was a poor manager lasted for two seasons. Said it all.
Martinez won nothing at Everton. He had one good season but had two horrendous seasons afterwards. Put your facts on the balance and a sane individual will judge which side is better than the other.
hktoffee
Birds of a feather flock together
That was putting pressure on him to walk via the help from the media. The thing was the deluded RM thought there was no problem on him otherwise he would have resigned and not taken that massive pay-off from the club.
Papa Shango
Player Valuation: £70m
Why on earth would he do that?
This is getting a bit silly now.
And a plane did nothing to put pressure or or highlight anything. It probably just resulted in people thinking "why has that idiot paid for a plane to complain about a football manager?" Its crazy weird behavior when you think of it.
hktoffee
Birds of a feather flock together
If he had a bit of dignity he should have resigned. Come on looked at the result it was pretty obvious why he was sacked.
Papa Shango
Player Valuation: £70m
Nobody would do that though. Why would he resign with a semi final on the horizon?
hktoffee
Birds of a feather flock together
Are you sure?
When he was sacked we had been knocked out. There were managers who resigned from their positions due to league results.
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