Final League Position

[Essex Blue]

It's clearly not.

Tottenham have gotten that extra money and then some in the last few years and yet they still can't get in the top 4 regularly, despite having twice the revenue we do.

We do not have the financial strength to regularly get into the top 4, that extra £17m will not fund the wages of new players. People need to wake up and accept the fact that getting into the Champions League is not going to change Everton. It's sad that people think it will.

Tottenham have finished in 4th spot twice in the last 3 years, and it may have been 3 times in 4 years if their star player wasn't getting injured whilst messing about in the Europa League. In fact, it still could be. But I think they will miss out, by about one single point!

So tell me then, if 17million isn't sufficient enough to make us more competitive, and bridge the massive gap of 3 or 4 points that exists between us and 4th spot, how much money would be sufficient enough to do just that?

It's how you spend your money that counts. And when you can get 3 Kevin Mirrallas, 3 Leighton Baines, a Fellaini, or god knows how many Darron Gibsons for 17 million quid, then I think an extra 17 million pound is very significant indeed.

It certainly isn't 'pointless'. What a strange argument.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Correct....

A new owner & the ground are separate issues (we need both resolving like) but even with both of those sorted, we'd still need the CL to compete with the best over the long term, there's no escaping from that reality - sorry x

 

[Brennan]

Yes, of course, as I already had said, to maximise the potential from it, you have to become a regular.

But even one appearance in it would provide us with a massive uplift in both cash, kudos, sponsorship interest / value, fan appeal etc etc. If you want to compete with the best, then you have to have to be part of it.

Look at Spurs.

They've missed out on the CL two seasons running, and yet they're still up there challenging for 4th. Why ? Because of their £160m turnover, not because of the £30m or so they got from reaching the quarter finals in 2010/11.

 

[Brennan]

Tottenham have finished in 4th spot twice in the last 3 years, and it may have been 3 times in 4 years if their star player wasn't getting injured whilst messing about in the Europa League. In fact, it still could be. But I think they will miss out, by about one single point!

So tell me then, if 17million isn't sufficient enough to make us more competitive, and bridge the massive gap of 3 or 4 points that exists between us and 4th spot, how much money would be sufficient enough to do just that?

It's how you spend your money that counts. And when you can get 3 Kevin Mirrallas, 3 Leighton Baines, a Fellaini, or god knows how many Darron Gibsons for 17 million quid, then I think an extra 17 million pound is very significant indeed.

It certainly isn't 'pointless'. What a strange argument.

Because you're totally ignoring the wage issue. £17m on new players, great. How the fook do we pay their wages for three or four years when our wage bill is already stupidly high compared to our turnover ?

You're not thinking.

A new owner & the ground are separate issues (we need both resolving like) but even with both of those sorted, we'd still need the CL to compete with the best over the long term, there's no escaping from that reality - sorry x

Neither myself or AF have said we don't need the CL. What we are saying is that the CL on its own is not enough.

 

[Essex Blue]

17 million is what a bily and a kroldrup and their years wages?

3 Leighton Baines, 3 Kevin Mirallas, a Fellaini, and about 34 Darron Gibson's.

We are in touching distance of the top 4. If 17 million isn't sufficient enough to breach that gap, then how much would be required?

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

I don't think we can close that gap at all, unless things change either with us or elsewhere.

I do think we're good enough to win trophies, but not the league and I honestly don't see the point in prioritising competitions we won't win (the league, the CL) over three cups that we can.

It's chicken & egg stuff, as without the cash etc from the CL then you can't create a strong enough side / squad to compete strongly with the best out there in every competition. (unless you win the Arab lotto)

 

[Allezfan]

A new owner & the ground are separate issues (we need both resolving like) but even with both of those sorted, we'd still need the CL to compete with the best over the long term, there's no escaping from that reality - sorry x

Oh, I agree entirely.

To win leagues and trophies reguarly you need that. But I don't think we have enough money from other revenue to ever turn us into a man u just off CL money. I think chasing that dream won't get us anywhere and in the meantime we could miss out on cups because we're concentrating on league positions that ultimately mean nothing.

If we had a better board and the financial gap was somewhat closer this would be a very different converstaion.

 

[Bungle]

3 Leighton Baines, 3 Kevin Mirallas, a Fellaini, and about 34 Darron Gibson's.

We are in touching distance of the top 4. If 17 million isn't sufficient enough to breach that gap, then how much would be required?

£60m minimum mate

 

[Essex Blue]

Because you're totally ignoring the wage issue. £17m on new players, great. How the fook do we pay their wages for three or four years when our wage bill is already stupidly high compared to our turnover ?

You're not thinking.

The gap between us and the top 4 is not a lot at all. If you think that 17 million pounds worth of extra investment, whether it be through transfer fees, or a combination of investment that includes some going on wages (which is what would happen, in reality) then I can only ask you what figure you think would breach that gap?

I think an extra 17million pounds worth of investment could be sufficient enough to breach a gap of what? 3 or 4 points?

 

[Allezfan]

The gap between us and the top 4 is not a lot at all. If you think that 17 million pounds worth of extra investment, whether it be through transfer fees, or a combination of investment that includes some going on wages (which is what would happen, in reality) then I can only ask you what figure you think would breach that gap?

I think an extra 17million pounds worth of investment could be sufficient enough to breach a gap of what? 3 or 4 points?

I think the other teams will be better next year then they were this year, though.

 

[Bungle]

The gap between us and the top 4 is not a lot at all. If you think that 17 million pounds worth of extra investment, whether it be through transfer fees, or a combination of investment that includes some going on wages (which is what would happen, in reality) then I can only ask you what figure you think would breach that gap?

I think an extra 17million pounds worth of investment could be sufficient enough to breach a gap of what? 3 or 4 points?

Not at all I don't think

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Look at Spurs.

They've missed out on the CL two seasons running, and yet they're still up there challenging for 4th. Why ? Because of their £160m turnover, not because of the £30m or so they got from reaching the quarter finals in 2010/11.

Yes let's indeed look at Spurs.

As their revenues increased by 36% (£43.7M) the year that they competed in the CL.

In the 2 years since, they've run with a transfer deficit of nearly £30M.

 

[Allezfan]

Yes let's indeed look at Spurs.

As their revenues increased by 36% (£43.7M) the year that they competed in the CL.

In the 2 years since, they've run with a transfer deficit of nearly £30M.

Transfers are a red herring.

Most clubs spend much more on wages then they do in the market. That's the real expenditure.

 

[Essex Blue]

I think the other teams will be better next year then they were this year, though.

People say that every year though mate.

I personally think Everton will be even stronger next year, not as strong as we would have been if we had been given an extra 17million pounds worth of revenue to spend, though.

 

[Allezfan]

People say that every year though mate.

I personally think Everton will be even stronger next year, not as strong as we would have been if we had been given an extra 17million pounds worth of revenue to spend, though.

Lets hope so.

I think it'll take more than 17 million for us to win the league, but there you go.