Final League Position

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

We won't close that gap, ever.

Not without the CL we won't.

 

[Thuck ma Baws]

We reached the quarter finals of it, lad.

European Cup is very different. Everyone is saying they want the CL now because of the money. It's not about the money to me, although it would be ace to have some for a change. It's about taking 10,000 to Nurnberg or being in Florence in the pouring rain. It would also be nice to win something, and there's no reason why we can't win the Europa. We're better now than when we went out on pens to Fiorentina and we should be better again next season.

 

[Essex Blue]

I mean look at Spurs, their chairman is notoriously difficult when it comes to negotiating and always tries to keep wages low. Despite revenues which are DOUBLE ours they're still struggling to compete with Chelsea and Arsenal consistently.

You have to get into the Champions League and continue to qualify for years, something we cannot do without a new stadium or new owner.

Yes, look at Spurs.

They are going to miss out on the Champions League places by a very small margin indeed. And their exploits in the Europa League won't have helped them one bit! In fact it will have hampered them in the league this season.

 

[Allezfan]

Yes, look at Spurs.

They are going to miss out on the Champions League places by a very small margin indeed. And their exploits in the Europa League won't have helped them one bit! In fact it will have hampered them in the league this season.

But Spurs overspend us by 20 million a year and always have done. That's a big london stadium with expensive seats and generous sponsor deals, that's not a single trip in the CL.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

United and Real are just about the only two clubs in the world that's true for.

You can't build a fanbase that big over night. After maybe 30 years of continious success we might be in that position, maybe.

You said that the costs of getting to the CL final outstrip the financial benefits - you were wrong.

30 years? tell that to Man City, who've got themselves to 7th in the world in terms of revenue generation, in the space of a few short years. Sure they've been given a massive 'leg up' in terms of how they started the process of growth, but nonetheless they'll end up sustainable as their fanbase is growing exponentially.

 

[Brennan]

That's just nonsense, I'm afraid.

It's an EXTRA 17million pound. How you can class that figure of cash to be insignificant is beyond me.

We are going to be finishing within touching distance of the Champions League places, many people believe think that is due to us having a lack of squad depth, and you don't think an extra 17million pound would make a difference? So qualifying for the Champions League is pointless now?

It most certainly isn't pointless at all, it's a cash cow, and the only party in town that is worth attending.

It's clearly not.

Tottenham have gotten that extra money and then some in the last few years and yet they still can't get in the top 4 regularly, despite having twice the revenue we do.

We do not have the financial strength to regularly get into the top 4, that extra £17m will not fund the wages of new players. People need to wake up and accept the fact that getting into the Champions League is not going to change Everton. It's sad that people think it will.

Nice little stat, Spurs' wage bill amounted to £93m last season. That's £10m than our entire turnover in 2011/12.

 

[Essex Blue]

But Spurs overspend us by 20 million a year and always have done. That's a big london stadium with expensive seats and generous sponsor deals, that's not a single trip in the CL.

And yet we are in touching distance of them.

Money spent badly is a waste, and hinders you. Liverpool have spent loads and have done nothing but regress. But I think Moyes could work wonders with an extra 17million. I think he could bridge the gap we are talking about with an extra 17million.

 

[Allezfan]

You said that the costs of getting to the CL final outstrip the financial benefits - you were wrong.

No I'm not.

I said the money Man U got just from that competition is outweighed by the money they had to spend to reach there aqnd it is.

The reason they have the massive sponsorship deals and global fan base is nothing to do with it and would have happened regardless.

We reach that final and we won't suddenly start making Man U style money.

 

[Allezfan]

And yet we are in touching distance of them.

Money spent badly is a waste, and hinders you. Liverpool have spent loads and have done nothing but regress. But I think Moyes could work wonders with an extra 17million. I think he could bridge the gap we are talking about with an extra 17million.

17 million is what a bily and a kroldrup and their years wages?

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

No I'm not.

I said the money Man U got just from that competition is outweighed by the money they had to spend to reach there aqnd it is.

The reason they have the massive sponsorship deals and global fan base is nothing to do with it and would have happened regardless.

We reach that final and we won't suddenly start making Man U style money.

haha

So you think United would be the global powerhouse they are today if they weren't competing in the CL every season?

Without the CL & the direct / indirect revenue it generates, then United would be nowhere near as successful a club / business that it is today.

If you argue to the contrary then you're either trolling or clueless.

 

[Allezfan]

haha

So you think United would be the global powerhouse they are today if they weren't competing in the CL every season?

Without the CL & the direct / indirect revenue it generates, then United would be nowhere near as successful a club / business than it is today.

If you argue to the contrary then you're either trolling or clueless.

No you're right obviously.

But you have to do it consistently and for years and do well in it.

Finishing 4th once doesn't do anything.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

We reach that final and we won't suddenly start making Man U style money.

I never said we would, but without it we can never close the gap.

 

[Brennan]

I never said we would, but without a new stadium or owner we can never close the gap.

Correct....

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

No you're right obviously.

But you have to do it consistently and for years and do well in it.

Finishing 4th once doesn't do anything.

Yes, of course, as I already had said, to maximise the potential from it, you have to become a regular.

But even one appearance in it would provide us with a massive uplift in both cash, kudos, sponsorship interest / value, fan appeal etc etc. If you want to compete with the best, then you have to have to be part of it.

 

[Allezfan]

I never said we would, but without it we can never close the gap.

I don't think we can close that gap at all, unless things change either with us or elsewhere.

I do think we're good enough to win trophies, but not the league and I honestly don't see the point in prioritising competitions we won't win (the league, the CL) over three cups that we can.