Definitely would. The home of football disavowing the governing body? Would be an absolute thunderbolt.
The current laughable side we have now isn't the point.
FIFA banning poppies
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Definitely would. The home of football disavowing the governing body? Would be an absolute thunderbolt.
The current laughable side we have now isn't the point.
the chainmail industry would be furious, patio chair sales halved
chrismpw
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If we offer FIFA a slice of what the poppy fund raises at matches I'm sure they'd be all for it.
The evil money grabbing leeches .
I think them having a go at the FAW for fans in the crowd wearing a poppy is a bit much to be honest
England and Scotland flagrantly flaunted the rules, so whether you agree with it or not they do at least have some sort of case to answer
Sounds like the Welsh went about this in the right way and they're now going to get pelted for something out of their control
I mean, it's not like the fans were wearing something illegal. People regularly wear poppies in the UK in November. The fans in question may just have been wearing the poppy because it happened to be on their clothing as it always is for November. I think the FAW should fight FIFA all the way on this one, as it's incredibly unfair
England and Scotland flagrantly flaunted the rules, so whether you agree with it or not they do at least have some sort of case to answer
Sounds like the Welsh went about this in the right way and they're now going to get pelted for something out of their control
I mean, it's not like the fans were wearing something illegal. People regularly wear poppies in the UK in November. The fans in question may just have been wearing the poppy because it happened to be on their clothing as it always is for November. I think the FAW should fight FIFA all the way on this one, as it's incredibly unfair
Papa Shango
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They would be made up to lose the English football headache.
Nobody else would care, it would be like losing Slovakia or someone.
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A Hercules should've released a poppy for every fallen soldier over the stadium.
I know people will say that teams have been sanctioned for stuff fans in the stands have done/worn before, but I think there's a difference between fans doing something that's actually illegal/questionable (Such as certain salutes, having particular phrases on signs, making monkey noises, biggotted/sectarian chants etc) and doing something entirely legal that just jars with FIFA's supposed rules
Again, you can wear a poppy freely in the UK, without doing so to make a statement. To hammer the Welsh for fans simply wearing poppies is absurd, especially as you could argue that a poppy is just part of a fans normal attire. I mean, I don't think the FAW could have banned crowd members from wearing poppies, as legally they'd have a right to wear them as there's no law against it, where as having a sign/poster with certain language or phrases could be constituted as such
Now, Northern Ireland might be in slightly more bother as they actually had a big poppy display in the crowd, which FIFA could argue does breach the rules and it would probably stand
Wales should be on a sounder footing I feel
chrismpw
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Better yet . Over fifa headquarters .
chrismpw
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I quite agree it's absurd.
On the one hand a simple symbol of the yearly act of remembrance and reflection over terrible wars is not allowed, yet the ridiculous shenanigans that are laid down on the pitch, and the parade of a million hangers on, mascots, and utterly pointless and wasteful fifa razzmatazz IS allowed.
What happened to players running out onto the pitch, skippers shaking hands with the ref and kicking off.?
davek
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It never happened before a few years ago though did it? What's changed? Was football in this country shameful for not having such ceremonies until a few years back?
There's not an awful lot of defence for the British FAs here. They have no long tradition of staging such ceremonies. It's more than justified to look upon their recent take up as having more to do with the underlining of nationalist sentiment which has grown in the last decade or so.
It beggars belief that the IFA chose to involve itself in this poppy business.
They more than any of the other three home nations know how divisive the Poppy is in their own backyard.
Of course any supporter wishing to sport one at the game is free to do so.
But the governing body of football in Northern Ireland should keep the heck out of it.
They know how it works in Belfast and laying poppies on the field and supplying coloured cards to make a giant poppy in the stand, if indeed the IFA did accommodate this display, will not help in making their national team more inclusive and their support more representative of the general NI population.
Then they have the cheek to moan about players from the north opting to play for the Republic because they feel uncomfortable with emblems and anthems they do not identify with and wonder why upwards of half the NI population identify with the southern team in the big tournaments.
There's your reason why, right there.
And as well as breaching FIFA regulations, I shouldn't be surprised if by facilitating this poppy display in the stands at Windsor Park they were in contravention of statutory laws in NI which are designed to make the place politically comfortable for all its citizens.
And Northern Ireland is living proof of why this FIFA edict is indeed a righteous thing.
Things that pass for normal and uncontroversial in a consensus society like England are running sores in our own backyard, less than 200 miles across the Irish Sea.
FIFA cannot be expected to legislate for every divisive emblem teams want to flaunt in games under their auspices.....so a blanket ban on every last one of them in every last country makes perfect sense to me.
You'd think they'd have to have been complicit in it wouldn't you?
That being said, The Green Brigade bring more impressive looking things into Parkhead off their own backs pretty much every week, so it's possible the supporters could have organised all this themselves, in which case it's harsh on the IFA but they should still be charged
After all, what control does, say, the Croatian FA have over their fans chucking flares onto the pitch? They've not given them those flares, nor are they encouraging them to throw them, but they still get it in the neck when the fans break the rules
I don't really see how England, Scotland or Northern Ireland can really complain here if they eat any sanctions. At the end of the day, you're responsible for your own fans and if they break FIFA rules en masse like the Irish fans did, or you blatantly put stuff on your kit that FIFA have outright told you not to do, you should rightly get called up on it
I do feel bad for Wales though, as I think they've got the short end of the stick here. Yes, they had the serviceman by the tunnel but that seems pretty minor. As for throwing the book at them for individual crowd members wearing poppies, I think that's frankly ludicrous. You can send stewards over to get fans to take down a giant cardboard poppy. You can't exactly spot check every single fan who wears a poppy on their lapels can you? If FIFA charge them I honestly hope the FAW take legal action, as they've been done over here IMO
It was the "Vietnamisation" of the British press after the Iraq and Afghanistan misadventures.
After the free press helped stop American excesses in Vietnam by reporting from the front, a decision was taken that never again would the press be allowed to freely move with frontline forces and record what was happening.
By the time of Desert Storm only military approved poodles were allowed those privileges......we had entered the age of the "embedded" reporter.
This went in tandem with a more pro military stance in the regular press and hey presto.....America has become a more martial society.
This is exactly what happened here after Blair's follies in the early years of this century.
They are trying to militarise the English people in the same way.
Hence the rise and, seemingly inexorable, rise of poppy fascism over the past decade.
And it will probably get worse.
I can honestly see it becoming the law here sometime in some virtual dystopian near future that the wearing of a poppy will become compulsory for every English person
chrismpw
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You have a point. When I were a kid, some people work a poppy, early November , and that was it. On the Sunday barest the 11th, there'd be a minute's silence .
I commented to a friend just thus year that the whole thing has got aggressive. If you don't wear one on TV people write in in disgust. In fact, on TV a paper poppy doesn't seem enough, and today you simply don't "remember " as Well as the next person unless you have a designer poppy.
I think it started after all the body bags started coming back from Iraq . The government upped the propaganda ante , allowed squaddies to wear uniforms in the street for the first time in decades and kicked off "help the heroes " to get loads of volunteers to make collections to properly look after those who were maimed, or lost, thus obfuscating any responsibility the government had towards its forces and the financial consequences of its decisions.
The grand gestures on TV at football and other sports events are just part of this bigging up. Wish the government would do the same bigging up for other people who dedicate themselves to society - nurses / firefighters for instance.
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