FFP Pressures this summer

[DonegalEvertonian]

We are all wondering if FFP is going to impact us this summer so i done some simple investigation.

Income:

Premier League Money: £84m
PL prize money £8.8m
TV money £110.39m
Player Trading £69m
Sponsorship (Last available figure) £50m
Match day income (.59*19) 11.2m

In and around £333.4 coming in

Players wages £43.12m
Operating expenses £205m

Expenditure (excluding payoff of staff and players) 248.12

So should be in and around £85m profit.

Obviously these figures are based on the last available data and not all income and expenditure is accounted for but I can see not conceiveable why we can make a loss this season considering the new stadium is a seperate entity.

 

[Richie]

We’re signing Phil Jones.

 

[DonegalEvertonian]

We’re signing Phil Jones.

Given our boards track record and the he is a "proven premier league player" we more than likely are

 

[John BCN]

Players' wages £43m?

 

[4737carlin]

We’re signing Phil Jones.

And Maguire

 

[Groucho]

We’re signing Phil Jones.

Knowing us, for the whole £85m profit.

 

[Wizard]

We are all wondering if FFP is going to impact us this summer so i done some simple investigation.

Income:

Premier League Money: £84m
PL prize money £8.8m
TV money £110.39m
Player Trading £69m
Sponsorship (Last available figure) £50m
Match day income (.59*19) 11.2m

In and around £333.4 coming in

Players wages £43.12m
Operating expenses £205m

Expenditure (excluding payoff of staff and players) 248.12

So should be in and around £85m profit.

Obviously these figures are based on the last available data and not all income and expenditure is accounted for but I can see not conceiveable why we can make a loss this season considering the new stadium is a seperate entity.

Where has that £50m for sponsorship come from? Don't think we get anywhere close to that annually. Also we aren't getting over £200m in money from the league (prize money, TV money etc.). Last season we got about £120m in total.

 

[OneTrueLegend]

We are all wondering if FFP is going to impact us this summer so i done some simple investigation.

Income:

Premier League Money: £84m
PL prize money £8.8m
TV money £110.39m
Player Trading £69m
Sponsorship (Last available figure) £50m
Match day income (.59*19) 11.2m

In and around £333.4 coming in

Players wages £43.12m
Operating expenses £205m

Expenditure (excluding payoff of staff and players) 248.12

So should be in and around £85m profit.

Obviously these figures are based on the last available data and not all income and expenditure is accounted for but I can see not conceiveable why we can make a loss this season considering the new stadium is a seperate entity.

Think those sums are a bit off, the £84m is in the £110.39m and the sponsorship money dropped from £50m to around £20m when Usmanov was sanctioned and we lost the USM sponsorship of Finch Farm and the Megafon sponsorships.

 

[PeregrineT]

Unfortunately there is no "Premier League Money: £84m" and the wages are way off, so this is off by a good bit. I would agree however that there will most likely be a profit on last years books. Here is the direct link to Everton 2021-2022 Accounts, Revenue/Turnover is on page 8, Expenses are on page 9. There are 4 categories of revenue.

1. Broadcast revenue(includes all the revenue from the league sources) - 110 million
2. Matchday - 15 million
3. Sponsorships/commercial - 50 million
4. Player trading - who knows, 25-70 million

Total: 200-250 million in revenue

2021-2022 TOTAL operating expenses were 205 million, that INCLUDES wages, which staff and wages were 162 million. Maybe we cut some wages and that's now 150 million? Without player trading we would operate at a loss, solely because of the lost revenue from being much lower in the table. So the most likely case scenario would look like:

Total Revenue/Turnover = 225 million
Total Expenses = 195 million
Profit/Loss =+30 million

 

[Goat]

We are all wondering if FFP is going to impact us this summer so i done some simple investigation.

Income:

Premier League Money: £84m
PL prize money £8.8m
TV money £110.39m
Player Trading £69m
Sponsorship (Last available figure) £50m
Match day income (.59*19) 11.2m

In and around £333.4 coming in

Players wages £43.12m
Operating expenses £205m

Expenditure (excluding payoff of staff and players) 248.12

So should be in and around £85m profit.

Obviously these figures are based on the last available data and not all income and expenditure is accounted for but I can see not conceiveable why we can make a loss this season considering the new stadium is a seperate entity.

Mate?

 

[Zatara]

Unfortunately there is no "Premier League Money: £84m" and the wages are way off, so this is off by a good bit. I would agree however that there will most likely be a profit on last years books. Here is the direct link to Everton 2021-2022 Accounts, Revenue/Turnover is on page 8, Expenses are on page 9. There are 4 categories of revenue.

1. Broadcast revenue(includes all the revenue from the league sources) - 110 million
2. Matchday - 15 million
3. Sponsorships/commercial - 50 million
4. Player trading - who knows, 25-70 million

Total: 200-250 million in revenue

2021-2022 TOTAL operating expenses were 205 million, that INCLUDES wages, which staff and wages were 162 million. Maybe we cut some wages and that's now 150 million? Without player trading we would operate at a loss, solely because of the lost revenue from being much lower in the table. So the most likely case scenario would look like:

Total Revenue/Turnover = 225 million
Total Expenses = 195 million
Profit/Loss =+30 million

What would that put for FFP over 3 years?

 

[PeregrineT]

What would that put for FFP over 3 years?

Good question, its all a guess because they keep it secret. But, we do know A. The team was below or right at the 105 million for 20, 21, 22. And we know B. That 22 was less than the other two years. Basically the easy answer is we know at LEAST we can comply if we spend exactly whatever we did in the year that JUST dropped off(2021).

We can either pretend 22 was an average of 35 million, or use "underlying losses"(which are only a partial picture), 70 million in 2020, 100 million in 21, and 36 million in 22. Thats roughly 210 million, which the FFP portion the league said was under or right at the 105 million. Last years number would be 17% of that, or -18 million. Following that assumption 2021 would be -50 million. So worst case you could assume the 22 books are 35 million, or assuming it puts the number at 18 million. Then if we assume break even for FFP for 2023:

2020 -37 Million
2021 -50 Million
2022 -18 Million = 105 Million for the prior 3 year.
2023 = 0 Million

So for this season, 2024, the numbers would look like:

2022 -18 Million
2023 = 0 Million
2024 =? (Could be up to 87 million and comply)

Lastly, even if we go back and say 2022 was a higher than normal share(35 million), and this year ends up still having some losses(no more than 20 million), we would be allowed to lose 50 million. Is it wise to do that? No. Could we? Seems like it. The big loss years were 2020 and 2021, and both have now left the books. TLDR: 50 million minimum

 

[blueblue]

There will also be player sales... nearly 70m so far, probably more to come.

Vinagre, Coady and Nkonkou off the wage bill already.

 

[MACCA75]

There will also be player sales... nearly 70m so far, probably more to come.

Vinagre, Coady and Nkonkou off the wage bill already.

And Gomes, Gbamin and Dele back on it.

 

[blueblue]

And Gomes, Gbamin and Dele back on it.

Unfortunately so.
I do think Gomes will probably leave though.

In recent weeks Gbamin has been on about not returning to Everton, I wonder if talks about a pay off could be on the cards.