Ferguson

Moomin · August 19, 2014

chicoazul said:
Oh aye and its me getting strips teared by everyone else on this thread for moving the topic onto your abhorrent views mate.

Aye, leave Mr Debater alone

@Prevenger17 your Photoshop skillz are needed. You need to make Motivator white and have Nigel Farage next to him with a pint.

Tubey · August 19, 2014

Elong said:
Yes of course, I merely mean that in a dream world there wouldn't be these underlying reasons in the first place. Not trying to be ignorant of history and the appalling way they were treated, it's just bizzare how we are as a race.

The question I'd ask is what more should be being done to bring both races together? What's it going to take for people to realise it's not okay.

Because social context and human history dictates that it's bound to be a difference, and that won't change. We're actually NOT the same - black culture and white culture over generations is markedly different - the only way that changes is if we share the same culture for an extended period of time to the point where similarities vastly out-proportion difference.

It's the same reason for clashes between the Middle East and the West, for China and Japan etc. etc. Globalisation hasn't occurred to the point where shared experience outweights cultural difference and, to be honest, that's a good thing, as diversity is the spice of life.

Blacks and whites will never be equal, and striving for that is a fallacy. What we should be striving for is not to become the same, but to open up identical opportunity in life for both.

Elong · August 19, 2014

Guess I sometimes find it hard to put down my feelings into words on subjects like this and leave it to others, but basically I'm fully in agreement with the sentiments of Tubey, Serenity, Raleigh etc, if it sounds any different I aplogise like, it's just awful that this bollocks still carries on and will carry on for years to come.

Goat · August 19, 2014

Has anybody used the Big Dunc joke yet?

RAFUH · August 19, 2014

SerenityNigh said:
It's cultural too. There is a distinct culture in America in black communities, and it needs a name. There's sometimes not any better name than the most obvious choice. African-American is useful too, but it seems this phrase is going out of style locally. It has its limits too; my Jamaican neighbor railed on about being called African-American when he was neither. His kids of course were American, of Jamaican descent, but he did not accept the title African-American. To him, black was best and simplest, whenever Jamaican was not appropriate.

In short, I don't see anything wrong with calling someone a black man*, but all words have context and must be given due consideration of their appropriateness.

*Granted, as an upper-middle-class white male, I have some privilege that may blind my view.

Ran into the same thing with a patient from Trinidad. It's an issue culturally even if you use African American. Our naturalized Ghanian physician, although African-American and exposed to racism in the US, has absolutely no culturally referrence to African Amercians born and raised here in eastern NC.

Elong · August 19, 2014

Tubey said:
Because social context and human history dictates that it's bound to be a difference, and that won't change. We're actually NOT the same - black culture and white culture over generations is markedly different - the only way that changes is if we share the same culture for an extended period of time to the point where similarities vastly out-proportion difference.

It's the same reason for clashes between the Middle East and the West, for China and Japan etc. etc. Globalisation hasn't occurred to the point where shared experience outweights cultural difference and, to be honest, that's a good thing, as diversity is the spice of life.

Blacks and whites will never be equal, and striving for that is a fallacy. What we should be striving for is not to become the same, but to open up identical opportunity in life for both.

Totally agree mate. There's so much benefit from learning from eachother's cultures.

orchard · August 19, 2014

MoutsGoat said:
Has anybody used the Big Dunc joke yet?

Yes mate, fairly sure it might have been you like

Goat · August 19, 2014

orchard said:
Yes mate, fairly sure it might have been you like

God damn it.

SerenityNigh · August 19, 2014

Elong said:
Totally agree mate. There's so much benefit from learning from eachother's cultures.

This is a great statement (probably the same thing @Tubey said, but I CBA to read all that). The only thing I will add is that there is no middle ground--either you learn from other cultures are you grow in detrimental ignorance. You can't just "be."

Tubey · August 19, 2014

SerenityNigh said:
This is a great statement (probably the same thing @Tubey said, but I CBA to read all that). The only thing I will add is that there is no middle ground--either you learn from other cultures are you grow in detrimental ignorance. You can't just "be."

I'm wasted on here FFS

Dell Boy · August 20, 2014

A second young man has been shot dead here? He had a knife apparently and confronted two policemen - so they both shot him and killed him on sight.

Crazy just crazy.

RIP

Springhettios · August 20, 2014

Dell Boy said:
A second young man has been shot dead here? He had a knife apparently and confronted two policemen - so they both shot him and killed him on sight.

Crazy just crazy.

RIP

Yeah, the guy was within 3 feet of the officers and didn't drop his knife. He was threatening them and armed. The guy was obviously an idiot.

TX Bill · August 20, 2014

RaleighBlue said:
Not picking on you Bill, I just wanted to pose this question in general:

In what situation would it be ok for a police officer to fire six shots into an unarmed man?

I get that he was a criminal, but I believe that if I were the one suspected of this robbery, then I would not be dead today. That is not to say that there isn't information that is as yet unknown, nor is it specifically damning this particular officer, because as I said, there may be fore information.

I do believe, however, that in general police officers in the USA are more apt to pull their guns on African Americans than whites. If he was white, I suspect he would have been maced and tazed at worst.

That's the fundamental issue that is being obscured by each source. Some by claiming Michael Brown's sainthood, and others by focusing on his crime. It doesn't matter whether he robbed a store or not - the punishment should not be death as decided by a police officer. We have due process rights.

That's a very legitimate question and in fact, that will be the question asked of Officer Wilson.

From what I'm understanding, and reading witness reports, the young man first tried to get the officer's gun. When that didn't work, he took off. When the officer told him to freeze, he turned and bull rushed him.

If that's the case (and no other facts or statements come to light) then it would seem to me that situation would allow for the officer to fire at suspect who is in the process of making an aggressive/assault move. Furthermore, the officer doesn't know if the suspect has a concealed weapon. If the suspect is able to get to the officer, then the officer is at additional risk of losing his weapon and having it used on him.

In short, when a law enforcement officer tells you to stop, stay where you are, freeze, etc... you don't turn and charge the officer. That's just common sense but you know the saying, "If common sense were so common, why don't more people have it?"

Here's a recent news report on the assault:

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...-eye-socket-during-encounter-with-mike-brown/

TX Bill · August 20, 2014

RaleighBlue said:
This has become a serious negative feedback loop in the US, and much of it is driven by race, even if it wasn't initially driven by race. Many people see a young black man and immediately assume he is a gang member, regardless of any other factors.

Not me. I assume he's a basketball player, especially if he's over 6'5"

/sarcasm