Farhad Moshiri

[TheBigIguana]

Both models are argueably based on self sustainability I think. One accepts a development approach to be sucessful and self sustainable, the other accepts that investment is required to develop a new financial mean to be self sustainable and successful by growing their profile through investment.

The problem is model two still requires a level of capital on hand that almost every club doesn't have. We'd be nowhere right now with our attempt to do the investing model except that Moshiri has tossed in 400m or whatever. That isn't an option usually.

 

[cronullasharks]

Moshri the accountant who was given he’s Arsenal shares “by a close friend,” which Moshri then sold to purchase Everton, is obviously running the club as a means to launder money that was “stolen” from the people who live in the old Soviet Union.
It seems on here, as long as it helps Everton buy better players/buy progress up the league, nobody cares that that money should have gone to help the cash strapped communities it’s been stolen from.
“The People’s Club” eh?

Quit with the faux outrage eh

 

[catcherintherye]

There’s a big point being missed here. Kroenke married into a family that does legitimate business, so the money will keep coming. Clubs run off the back of money laundering and organized crime can (in theory at least) be brought to their knees in the blink of an eye if someone decides to crack down on it. This is a very dangerous time for Everton. If the money stops being available for whatever reason before they can become self-sufficient, they are Sunderland 2.0.

Well theres no suggestion theres any criminality to the money involved.

Secondly, a legitimate business can hit hard times and close down.

Thirdly, if you are of a certain wealth level, you are essentially untouchable.

Everton under this ownership are a million miles away from Sunderland in league 1. The clubs who have owners who cant/won't provide liquidity are in danger of that.

 

[catcherintherye]

The problem is model two still requires a level of capital on hand that almost every club doesn't have. We'd be nowhere right now with our attempt to do the investing model except that Moshiri has tossed in 400m or whatever. That isn't an option usually.

No it's not. But it's literally an option in our circumstance.

 

[TheBigIguana]

I’m not in any way trying to claim the moral high ground but I’m pointing out that as long as it’s good for the club, Evertonian’s don’t give a monkeys where the money comes from (or as one person wrote earlier, the money the small stakeholders are going to lose because of the devaluation of their shares.)

As you say, it is what it is with these grubby very wealthy owners but perhaps posters should now refrain from using the term
“The People’s Club.”

My understanding is that the People's Club moniker is a result of a combination of the passion of the local support and the clubs charitable side. Both of these things existed before Farhad and they both exist now even with a questionable owner.

 

[catcherintherye]

That’s all you could find?
I said mate, you don’t want the truth.

Well that's all hes been convicted of.

 

[TheBigIguana]

No it's not. But it's literally an option in our circumstance.

If Usmanov is actually involved it is. But it doesn't really matter how much you tell me that he is, I'm not going to be convinced until he removes himself from the shadows in some way.

I mean I get all the cases for it. Farhad's investment seems above his means, the USM sponsorships, the friendship between the two, the Arsenal stuff. I see all of it. I just want to be sure and I will be when something official happens.

 

[DaChunk]

Moshri the accountant who was given he’s Arsenal shares “by a close friend,” which Moshri then sold to purchase Everton, is obviously running the club as a means to launder money that was “stolen” from the people who live in the old Soviet Union.
It seems on here, as long as it helps Everton buy better players/buy progress up the league, nobody cares that that money should have gone to help the cash strapped communities it’s been stolen from.
“The People’s Club” eh?

Get in the bin with that nonsense you rat

 

[H.H.]

We're all very eager for you to provide it mate. But the ball is in your court as it is Friday night and I'm not arsed.

As your not arsed then like many others, you won’t bother looking and will conveniently keep your head buried in the sand.

I have no problem with that and luckily for us, we are all allowed to have an opinion and we haven’t been oppressed nearly as much as the poor people in the old Soviet Union.

 

[catcherintherye]

If Usmanov is actually involved it is. But it doesn't really matter how much you tell me that he is, I'm not going to be convinced until he removes himself from the shadows in some way.

I mean I get all the cases for it. Farhad's investment seems above his means, the USM sponsorships, the friendship between the two, the Arsenal stuff. I see all of it. I just want to be sure and I will be when something official happens.

We have an owner who has put 500m in, and is almost speeding up.his investments in the club.

Either he has loads more than people realise, is fronting a consortium of even wealthier people, or both. That's the reality here.

 

[TheBigIguana]

As your not arsed then like many others, you won’t bother looking and will conveniently keep your head buried in the sand.

I have no problem with that and luckily for us, we are all allowed to have an opinion and we haven’t been oppressed nearly as much as the poor people in the old Soviet Union.

This might be the most nonsense I've seen you post and that bar is inconceivably high.

 

[H.H.]

My understanding is that the People's Club moniker is a result of a combination of the passion of the local support and the clubs charitable side. Both of these things existed before Farhad and they both exist now even with a questionable owner.

Who is laundering money that the poor communities should have got.

 

[Neiler]

The problem is model two still requires a level of capital on hand that almost every club doesn't have. We'd be nowhere right now with our attempt to do the investing model except that Moshiri has tossed in 400m or whatever. That isn't an option usually.

Yep without question, not everyone can do it, strangely though were it has happened and been successful is former middle of the road clubs.

We haven’t done it well, in fact awfully, we blew the boom in a lot of ways.

The man is either a nut to continue to do what he’s doing, or there is serious, serious money in this whole project.

I wouldn’t be one for conspiracy and had my doubts initially on the consortium angle, but it’s the only logical conclusion.

If I’m honest my concern was he would do a Learner and run out of financial clout and will and leave us saddled, but his regime just keeps digging without blinking.

 

[catcherintherye]

I’m not in any way trying to claim the moral high ground but I’m pointing out that as long as it’s good for the club, Evertonian’s don’t give a monkeys where the money comes from (or as one person wrote earlier, the money the small stakeholders are going to lose because of the devaluation of their shares.)

As you say, it is what it is with these grubby very wealthy owners but perhaps posters should now refrain from using the term
“The People’s Club.”

The peoples club is really about how local match going fans tend to support Everton. If you look at recent statistics at a ratio of around 4 or 5 to 1 against Liverpool. When you consider their success and our lack of success it's an astonishing figure really. That's all it is.

 

[TheBigIguana]

We have an owner who has put 500m in, and is almost speeding up.his investments in the club.

Either he has loads more than people realise, is fronting a consortium of even wealthier people, or both. That's the reality here.

How much is loads to you?

Owners over here have produced a billion to buy franchises when they're worth about what Moshiri is. I understand it seems like a lot of cash given his reported net worth but save for relegation it is a pretty safe investment.