Farhad Moshiri

[evertonarntwe]

Hmm.

Jury is still out on Moshiri for me.

Actions > Words.

You could even argue we made bigger, more significant signings under Kenwright (Lukaku, Fellaini, Johnson, Yakubu), we put up more resilience when clubs come for our top players...

You could even look at average league position since Moshiri come in.

I can understand the results on the poll in this thread.

Not saying I'd sooner Kenwright, but it's silly the tendency to continue to pin blame on him now - it's Moshiri's trainset now.

put up more of a fight? you don't believe that do you? we constantly sold our best players for a much lower fee under billy ( inflation I know )

average league position? well moshiri come in halfway through the first season so that's unfair, last season we finished 7th and this we are 10 games in so I would say his average is 7th?

again im not saying moshiri is brilliant, but the fact is billy is/was a clown and nothing ever come good from him whereas moshiri is only early doors but some signs are out there that he his willing to do what billy couldnt

 

[mkrudden]

You do realize the club makes a ton of money.

It is self funding. Even the extra money given to transfers can be accounted by the increase in TV money.

Believe what you want but there's plenty of doubt whether he has invested in us.

Buying shares isn't investing in the club. It is an investment sure but the club see none of it.

Of course I realise that Liam but I also know before Moshiri came in we were saddled with debt to corporate entities.

Now, just as with Chelsea, the debt is just to the major shareholder.

Buying shares is investment. you wouldn't invest that amount of money for a club in the state we are (no stadium, no marketing strategy) unless you were going to enhance the facilities.

He's a business man who has billions of pounds. Surely that indicates he has business acumen?

Do I think some of the stuff he does, particularly publically, shows the club in a good light? Of course not.

But to say he hasn't won't invest is just illogical to me.

What he / the manager does with the money is of course worthy of debate. Should we be more prudent? Do we need a 'hollywood manager'? Do we need a DOF? No idea to be honest.

Has he spent £200m since he has been here? Yes. Factually.

"yeah but it's all resale money". Well yes, it might be, but just because he has generated £150m doesn't mean he should buy even more players to prove his worth. We've already seen that too many new players in a short space of time, with no time for training because of the EL, has crippled us.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

put up more of a fight? you don't believe that do you? we constantly sold our best players for a much lower fee under billy ( inflation I know )

average league position? well moshiri come in halfway through the first season so that's unfair, last season we finished 7th and this we are 10 games in so I would say his average is 7th?

again im not saying moshiri is brilliant, but the fact is billy is/was a clown and nothing ever come good from him whereas moshiri is only early doors but some signs are out there that he his willing to do what billy couldnt

That's my point, under Kenwright we leverage the bad but when it comes to Moshiri, we leverage the good - as you are now almost instinctively.

Kenwright would agree with you that Moshiri can deliver a lot more than him - that's why he sold to Moshiri (rather than Americans) and when in years previously fans were screaming for Venkys and pointing at Leeds in the Champions League and Villa under Lerner.

On the pitch we're as bad now, as we ever were under Kenwright but that's another argument.

My point remains - it's Moshiri's club now and any plaudits should rightly go to him, as should any criticism.

 

[LiamG]

Hmm.

Jury is still out on Moshiri for me.

Actions > Words.

You could even argue we made bigger, more significant signings under Kenwright (Lukaku, Fellaini, Johnson, Yakubu), we put up more resilience when clubs come for our top players...

You could even look at average league position since Moshiri come in.

I can understand the results on the poll in this thread.

Not saying I'd sooner Kenwright, but it's silly the tendency to continue to pin blame on him now - it's Moshiri's trainset now.

It's not an argument but a fact.

Transfers have gone up by about 150%. Kenwright bought Rom for 28m who today would have cost about 70m. We then sold him for about half of what he is worth. Even the net spend is higher over the last few years of kenwright.

It's hard to see what exactly has changed owever if we are sell to buy would we really have bought Sigurdsson for almost £50m?

Would we.

 

[LiamG]

Of course I realise that Liam but I also know before Moshiri came in we were saddled with debt to corporate entities.

Now, just as with Chelsea, the debt is just to the major shareholder.

Buying shares is investment. you wouldn't invest that amount of money for a club in the state we are (no stadium, no marketing strategy) unless you were going to enhance the facilities.

He's a business man who has billions of pounds. Surely that indicates he has business acumen?

Do I think some of the stuff he does, particularly publically, shows the club in a good light? Of course not.

But to say he hasn't won't invest is just illogical to me.

What he / the manager does with the money is of course worthy of debate. Should we be more prudent? Do we need a 'hollywood manager'? Do we need a DOF? No idea to be honest.

Has he spent £200m since he has been here? Yes. Factually.

"yeah but it's all resale money". Well yes, it might be, but just because he has generated £150m doesn't mean he should buy even more players to prove his worth. We've already seen that too many new players in a short space of time, with no time for training because of the EL, has crippled us.

He has hired a team that has turned 200m in player value into 100m and put his name behind a stadium deal that Bill had probably sorted out a long time before he arrived and is the reason he arrived.

Buying shares isn't the same as investing in the club.

Investing is when the net worth of the club goes up.

Transforming the terms of the debt, Chinese loans. Council loans , buying shares. None of this changes that.

Sorry but if you cut through all the hype he has so far done very little and all I'm hoping for is the stadium deal doesn't fall through.

That said if he builds that I would still be happy.

 

[mkrudden]

He has hired a team that has turned 200m in player value into 100m and put his name behind a stadium deal that Bill had probably sorted out a long time before he arrived and is the reason he arrived.

Buying shares isn't the same as investing in the club.

Investing is when the net worth of the club goes up.

Transforming the terms of the debt, Chinese loans. Council loans , buying shares. None of this changes that.

Sorry but if you cut through all the hype he has so far done very little and all I'm hoping for is the stadium deal doesn't fall through.

That said if he builds that I would still be happy.

Pessimism is what makes us Evertonians mate. We've been let down too many times.
I'm not sure though what you mean by:
"He has hired a team that has turned 200m in player value into 100m"
How have you calculated that?

 

[mkrudden]

It's not an argument but a fact.

Transfers have gone up by about 150%. Kenwright bought Rom for 28m who today would have cost about 70m. We then sold him for about half of what he is worth. Even the net spend is higher over the last few years of kenwright.

It's hard to see what exactly has changed owever if we are sell to buy would we really have bought Sigurdsson for almost £50m?

Would we.

Liam the only reason that Lukaku looks like a steal is because of the Neymar transfer. That's why the price for Dembele at Dortmund and Coutinho sky-rocketed.

And the deal came well after Lukaku was concluded.

 

[Kev50]

Pessimism is what makes us Evertonians mate. We've been let down too many times.
I'm not sure though what you mean by:
"He has hired a team that has turned 200m in player value into 100m"
How have you calculated that?

if you list all of Koeman's buys, and then imagine how much they would be worth now, and factor in the mishandling of Ross, and you are easily over a E100m

 

[LiamG]

Pessimism is what makes us Evertonians mate. We've been let down too many times.
I'm not sure though what you mean by:
"He has hired a team that has turned 200m in player value into 100m"
How have you calculated that?

Of the back of a napkin.

But I doubt I would be far off. It's the difference between the players we sold and the players we bought plus I actually think it may be worse because I'm not sure we would even get 100m.

I'm not being pessimistic. I am just stating what I see are the facts.

He may invest but people said that before this summer and we signed Martina even when we had two kids, neither who were ready and RB with a broken leg.

Personally I have given up hope of that which is why a manager like Big Sam or Dyche is acceptable. They will both do a decent Moyes-like job if I'm honest. Anyone who still holds out hope that we are seriously aiming for even the top 6 is more optimistic than me. It's about nothing more than premiership survival until the stadium is built.

 

[LiamG]

Liam the only reason that Lukaku looks like a steal is because of the Neymar transfer. That's why the price for Dembele at Dortmund and Coutinho sky-rocketed.

And the deal came well after Lukaku was concluded.

No he looked like a steal long before then.

Lukaku was worth 70m before the market went crazy. He was worth 30m 3 years ago and since then has gone on to be a world class striker who would have won the premiership golden boot two years in a row if he a) didn't down tools and/or b) played for a decent team.

Actually if Bale was worth 90m then 70m may be a bit low.

Unfortunately I think the staff (and the fans to a degree) at the club didn't fully realize how good he was and are learning that painful lesson this season.

For some reason they thought we would be better off with someone who ran around loads. Well we are seeing the difference between someone like DCL and Lukaku this season.

 

[Frang]

Blame Bill for the bad.
Praise Moshiri for the good.

It's the unwritten rules isn't it?!

moshiri's the savior mate.

he's come in and invested and made us such a better club..


errr....


wait a minute...

 

[bcblue1878]

To back up young davek

His horses mouth is spot on won't name sources but will go as far to say that I was told similar by a agent who knows him and how his team work (from koeman to his staff)

Believe me Everton off the pitch we're more split than you can imagine

Koeman Walsh relationship was none existent
Fell apart during the Memphis delay transfer (solely a koeman target and a deal was agreed with Utd Walsh advised not to pay the money loan him and watch him )

Lookman bore the brunt of koemans frustration as he wasn't depay

Martina was a koeman signing as we're klaasan and gylfi

Koemans signings were all negotiated through koeman and his legal advisors

Walsh had nothing to do with them
He did Pickford Keane vlassic and a few youth signings

Basically 2 separate teams did our business this summer

Also told koeman said he wouldn't play 2 forwards Walsh wanted to bring in

And Rooney was solely done by kenwright and moshiri

If this is even half true (??? How can Koeman's signings be negotiated through Koeman and his legal advisors? I cannot believe Moshiri would be ok with this! ) it is a damning indictment of what is going on at the top of Everton Football Club. Leads me on to worry as to the process, if one even exists, of how they are going about looking for a new manager? If the search for a new manager is anything like the above we could end up with Mike flaming Basset!
If Moshiri still believes that Walsh was the correct long term appointment, then only two people - Moshiri and Walsh, should be dealing with the appointment of a new manager, and therefore it'll have to be someone who is happy to work with Walsh! Kenwright should be nowhere near the process!

 

[blulouie]

No he looked like a steal long before then.

Lukaku was worth 70m before the market went crazy. He was worth 30m 3 years ago and since then has gone on to be a world class striker who would have won the premiership golden boot two years in a row if he a) didn't down tools and/or b) played for a decent team.

Actually if Bale was worth 90m then 70m may be a bit low.

Unfortunately I think the staff (and the fans to a degree) at the club didn't fully realize how good he was and are learning that painful lesson this season.

For some reason they thought we would be better off with someone who ran around loads. Well we are seeing the difference between someone like DCL and Lukaku this season.

Lukaku was £75mil up front rising to £90 mil plus a deal for Rooney brokered into it.
Totals around £100 mil mate.

Most reliable source The Telegraph , cant link it on my phone.
Not that it matters at all now.

 

[Billy Dean]

If he hires allardyce or Dyche he’s basically admitting all his talk of ambition, top 4, winning things was a crock of horseshyt

 

[LiamG]

Lukaku was £75mil up front rising to £90 mil plus a deal for Rooney brokered into it.
Totals around £100 mil mate.

Most reliable source The Telegraph , cant link it on my phone.
Not that it matters at all now.

The only reason we knew it was rising to 90m and with Rooney was because Koeman was getting annoyed at the claim that we were spending money.

Even 100m is too low. If someone wanted to buy him tomorrow he would cost more. Anything under 140m in this market is cheap and again I thought this before Neymar who btw I didn't think was expensive either but in fact very cheap.

When Utd can sign one commercial deal worth 600m there really is no limit to what I think you can charge these top clubs for a player they need. Unfortunately I think it will be a long time before we have another in that bracket.