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So I’ve got a pretty stupid username because I signed up years ago when I was a kid but what made you settle on the noise of pushing out a turd to represent your posts on this forum?

It's very representative of the club don't you think? Also I just see the entire world as a massive joke.

 

[Sheedy's right knee.]

My opinion is the fans always get behind the team. There have been a few tense games this season where you can feel the tension rather than the raucous crowd but generally other than the odd tosspot berating the team for 90 minutes, we try to lift the team. Watford and Brighton I remember been horrible this season and oddly after Villa game Duncan’s rehearsal you couldn’t hear a pin drop when I walked away from the Gladwys street which was strange.

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

My opinion is the fans always get behind the team. There have been a few tense games this season where you can feel the tension rather than the raucous crowd but generally other than the odd tosspot berating the team for 90 minutes, we try to lift the team. Watford and Brighton I remember been horrible this season and oddly after Villa game Duncan’s rehearsal you couldn’t hear a pin drop when I walked away from the Gladwys street which was strange.

That odd tosspot sits a couple of rows from me unfortunately.

 

[Sheedy's right knee.]

This is the best bit of bootlicking i've seen in a while. Giving him credit on net spend for a player who will be sold 6 months after he was booted

The agenda is strong in this one

I’m no way a Benitez apologist, but what surprised me more than anything was our defensive shape under him. Michearl keanes form fell off a Cliff. We lost Mina which was huge and we all know about Godfrey’s Covid/fitness issues. But there was a communication breakdown in that area. That has been our biggest weakness all season.

 

[Toffeepot]

I’m no way a Benitez apologist, but what surprised me more than anything was our defensive shape under him. Michearl keanes form fell off a Cliff. We lost Mina which was huge and we all know about Godfrey’s Covid/fitness issues. But there was a communication breakdown in that area. That has been our biggest weakness all season.

From some of the best set piece defending last season to one of our worst. But RB 'didn't understand it, because we practiced these kinds of set pieces'
He undermined the players at every opportunity. I'd say he was horrible to play for

 

[Sheedy's right knee.]

From some of the best set piece defending last season to one of our worst. But RB 'didn't understand it, because we practiced these kinds of set pieces'
He undermined the players at every opportunity. I'd say he was horrible to play for

From some of the best set piece defending last season to one of our worst. But RB 'didn't understand it, because we practiced these kinds of set pieces'
He undermined the players at every opportunity. I'd say he was horrible to play for

Based on the fact you are right, whatever Benitez was trying to implement it wasn’t working. I blame the players too but set piece last season was one thing we was successful defending.

 

[Gareth Gibson]

He shouldn't have ben hired in the first place, but once he was people were playing with fire with the continual opposition to the manager and it affected the team results.

No question about that. Those players are poor, but they aren't so poor they should be 3rd from bottom in the PL.

The whole business cost us about 10 points easily.

There will be people disputing that out of vested sectional interests, but it is true.

Sadly you’re spot on.

Abusing and deriding managers and players simply doesn’t work, as we’ve found at great cost.

 

[nsno-chris]

I’m no way a Benitez apologist, but what surprised me more than anything was our defensive shape under him. Michearl keanes form fell off a Cliff. We lost Mina which was huge and we all know about Godfrey’s Covid/fitness issues. But there was a communication breakdown in that area. That has been our biggest weakness all season.

It didn’t with me. Because, as I said in the summer, the man is an egomaniac- his way is the only way.

He had the same issues at the RS and he stool with it when they were constantly conceding goals. And at Inter Milan, one of the best defensive teams that had just won the league and Europe - goes in and rips it all apart for his way.

We conceded more goals from set pieces in the opening 15 games than all of last season. That’s the system mate, and if that system has failed the same manager at other clubs then it shows the type of man he is

 

[ToffeeDan]

Benitez got away with all that stuff because he had 2 world class players in his team.. we, on the other hand, do not..

 

[FrenchDarrenBent]

Benitez got away with all that stuff because he had 2 world class players in his team.. we, on the other hand, do not..

Benitez 19-10 Frank

 

[4737carlin]

Sadly you’re spot on.

Abusing and deriding managers and players simply doesn’t work, as we’ve found at great cost.

We can redeem ourselves with these next three home games but even if we win 9 points it could still be too late

 

[ClausThomsen]

Sadly you’re spot on.

Abusing and deriding managers and players simply doesn’t work, as we’ve found at great cost.

But it isn't the thing that sends clubs into a spiral. Look at any club that has a prolonged history of success and then look at how the fans and crowds have reacted during lean periods where they've finished midtable or maybe even just been way off the title chase.

They've abused and derided everybody at the club. And historically those clubs have usually got their act back together at some point and cycled back into their periods of success despite that negativity. And then the fans have gone back to a show of positivity.

Look at Goodison back in the early 80's - it was not a nice positive place to be early in Kendall's first spell. Pointing fingers at fans and their negativity for the continuing misfortunes of a badly ran club is demonstrably incorrect and even the most casual look at the history of lots of clubs tells you this.

It's yet another myth for the Benitez apologists to hide behind.

 

[4737carlin]

My opinion is the fans always get behind the team. There have been a few tense games this season where you can feel the tension rather than the raucous crowd but generally other than the odd tosspot berating the team for 90 minutes, we try to lift the team. Watford and Brighton I remember been horrible this season and oddly after Villa game Duncan’s rehearsal you couldn’t hear a pin drop when I walked away from the Gladwys street which was strange.

The end of the Villa game was an odd one, even Duncan didn't lift the entire stadium.
I think if you are in the street end your not getting a clear impression of the Park End for example, today you will be all standing, while they all sit and moan

 

[BlueStevie35]

Benitez 19-10 Frank

Benitez 4-5 Frank

 

[MikeH72]

I think you've hit the nail on the head in this thread Dave. Good stuff.

Not necessarily one to scream "I told you so" but there are lessons that need to be learned here.

Digne was infuriated by our style of play because he thought Everton were too good to fall into a relegation battle. They are not.

The situation we've found ourselves in as fans, hoping the club holds on for dear life onto Premier League status, is primarily due to the horrific recruitment and money wasted by previous managers on deadwood. Benitez had a negative net spend (once the Kean fee comes in).

Net spend chat hahaha, try and be a bit more subtle.