Everton Transfer Thread 2016

[Ashtonian]

I dont think signing 4 players permanently over two windows is "mass recruitment".

Kone may not be a LW but how else to describe the position...in any case we need a LM / LW.

It is more of a false position, sure Baines is that player, but anyway thats not important.

It is still the point of 4 first team players, who do you drop? I agree that we need players, but to be fair Martinez's policy is working wonders at the minute. If one of holgate/henan/rodriguez/besic command their place in the team then signing only 2 first teamers and the rest young is going to be the way forward. If the summer that ment a keeper and a midfielder only then fair enough. but shipping the squad members out who can do a job and reduce the squad is a terrible idea. Only the ones who are finished, your piennars and hibberts can realistically be moved on.

 

[BlueToff]

The best way to operate is to keep the core of the squad together, and add two or three improvements each (summer) window. January should be used to add in a player that we think can give us a boost, but not for the sake of it.

 

[LinekersLegs]

I disagree with you and USA blue
We need to take gamble in jan
I can't see it happening like
But what the point of having a 10mil? Player mirallas on the bench never getting a game
And 8 mil for Naismith Ffs that's a no brainier

If that money buys us another top class attacking player
I will say yarmalenko as he's the main player we have been linked with then we should do it

We all know top 4 is a long shot
But it's never going to happen with Kone or Naismith or Osman playing
We will be 8th or 9th IMO

But add a class player with experience and more composure could be the difference
At times geri Ross and rom show their age
And they need help that likes of Kone can't give them

After the window there will be 4months left of the season
We can't sort the squad out in the summer with the new TV money

But I don't see the point of having a so called strong bench to finish mid table

As for Utd
They have loads of injuries if they didn't they would have 100mil of talent on the bench and 50mil
In the stands

There is a wage to turnover rule though I'm not sure what it is
But we would probably need to get wages of the bill before adding to it

But if we sold both Naismith and Mirallas during January what happens if Lukaku gets injured?

Even if we brought Yarmolenko with the money he is out with an injury until at least mid Feb. We'd just have Kone as an established striker a very tough fixture list with lots of games, not great for a guy who is still in his first year back from a bad injury himself. Even if Yarmolenko was not injured it would assume he could instantly adapt to a new league and team without any preseason to adjust to the different physicality.

Arsenal, City and United all have lots of injuries at the moment - two of them won the games they needed to progress in the CL and some of that will be because they had experienced replacements for their injured players. Distin, Osman, Hibbert and McGeady weren't getting a lot of minutes last season either but they stepped in for our Wolfsburg away game and we won.

 

[Zatara]

I listed down the quality we have in each position based on 2 players competing.

Gk -- Clearly we need a replacement for Howard.

RB -- Could we get away with Holgate and others in a similar way to Galloway, i dont know. Perhaps a loan while waiting for Kenny etc to come through

LM/LW - If Kone is considered first choice then this position needs upgrading

CM/AM - We lack a playmaker or box to box type depending on where Martinez sees Barkley long term.

ST -- Someone to compete with Lukaku.

We cant sign these players with fairy dust and if we keep the players who are 3rd choice or lower then we would have unhappy characters or freeloaders.

Surely best to move them on?

Ones that are finished now or by season end:
Hibbert /Osman/Pienaar/Howard


Not good enough McAleny/McGeady/Naismith

Injury prone Gibson/Oviedo

Unfancied and seems to be off Mirallas.

It is more of a false position, sure Baines is that player, but anyway thats not important.

It is still the point of 4 first team players, who do you drop? I agree that we need players, but to be fair Martinez's policy is working wonders at the minute. If one of holgate/henan/rodriguez/besic command their place in the team then signing only 2 first teamers and the rest young is going to be the way forward. If the summer that ment a keeper and a midfielder only then fair enough. but shipping the squad members out who can do a job and reduce the squad is a terrible idea. Only the ones who are finished, your piennars and hibberts can realistically be moved on.

 

[Stephenlloyd]

But if we sold both Naismith and Mirallas during January what happens if Lukaku gets injured?

Even if we brought Yarmolenko with the money he is out with an injury until at least mid Feb. We'd just have Kone as an established striker a very tough fixture list with lots of games, not great for a guy who is still in his first year back from a bad injury himself. Even if Yarmolenko was not injured it would assume he could instantly adapt to a new league and team without any preseason to adjust to the different physicality.

Arsenal, City and United all have lots of injuries at the moment - two of them won the games they needed to progress in the CL and some of that will be because they had experienced replacements for their injured players. Distin, Osman, Hibbert and McGeady weren't getting a lot of minutes last season either but they stepped in for our Wolfsburg away game and we won.

Your having a laugh mate
Arsenal Utd & City have got squads costing 3to4 times more than ours in arsenals case
God knows what city & utd sqauds
Cost

So keeping Naismith & mirallas
And then lukaku gets injured everything is going to be fine?

IF we get a host of injuries especially to the likes of lukaku Barkley or geri or
Stones then we will struggle no matter what

That's why the top teams have 3 strikers costing 28mil
Unless we get bought that's not happening anytime some

I would be happy to take the risk on yarmalenko who said last night he would be back in a few weeks
As he's a class above Naismith & mirallas

And as for the Wolfsburg game we all know we would have got smashed on another night
They dominated the game

 

[LinekersLegs]

So keeping Naismith & mirallas
And then lukaku gets injured everything is going to be fine?

But despite United's expenditure they don't have a very deep squad - they have gutted it of experienced fringe players which is precisely my concern.

Of course we wouldn't be fine if Rom was injured regardless of our transfer policy but believe one of Naismith/Mirallas replacing Rom would be significantly better than thrusting Yarmolenko into the role with no adaption time.

Just think taking the sort of risk you are suggesting is too high in the January window, you disagree so best we leave it there, especially as you said yourself it is very unlikely to happen.

 

[Zatara]

Lukaku has zero competition. Mirallas/Naismith arent even considered good enough to be rotated with him for any meaningful length of time. Charlie Austins contract expires in the summer, weve been linked with Dembele of Fulham and Breel Embolo and Martinez even went for Martial on loan when we were rumoured to be interested in signing Traore. There's got to be options on loan, for good value or blockbuster signings....

On the left side, Cleverley i think makes the most sense with Baines back now but long term he looks good in the centre. Again, there will be options available for loans, good value or blockbuster signings like Inaki Williams who weve been linked with or Yarmolenko himself.

For me, moving on Mirallas almost seems inevitable now and McGeady,McAleny,Gibson should also be moved on. The only question mark is really on Naismith who has the right attitude and offers something different BUT never a first choice so if Lukaku was unavailable we wouldnt look too great anyway.

Kone can play on the left (along with Cleverley) and up front. Meaning the funds generated (and anything left over from summer) could be used wisely to bring in players in both positions through moving on players who Martinez doesnt rate as good enough...

The squad would get a massive boost of morale and "on paper" we would look far stronger.

If Martinez was offered Yarmolenko or Embolo or Inaki for mirallas+Naismith he'd be mad not to do the deal....for the others and any left over funds there would be loan options or Austin/Dembele type signings available.

Much improved chances of champions league/cup win and better long term for the squad.

But if we sold both Naismith and Mirallas during January what happens if Lukaku gets injured?

Even if we brought Yarmolenko with the money he is out with an injury until at least mid Feb. We'd just have Kone as an established striker a very tough fixture list with lots of games, not great for a guy who is still in his first year back from a bad injury himself. Even if Yarmolenko was not injured it would assume he could instantly adapt to a new league and team without any preseason to adjust to the different physicality.

Arsenal, City and United all have lots of injuries at the moment - two of them won the games they needed to progress in the CL and some of that will be because they had experienced replacements for their injured players. Distin, Osman, Hibbert and McGeady weren't getting a lot of minutes last season either but they stepped in for our Wolfsburg away game and we won.

 

[Zatara]

2 players out (Naismith/Mirallas)
1 top signing in + smaller signing/loan

Better long term and improves the team.

Your having a laugh mate
Arsenal Utd & City have got squads costing 3to4 times more than ours in arsenals case
God knows what city & utd sqauds
Cost

So keeping Naismith & mirallas
And then lukaku gets injured everything is going to be fine?

IF we get a host of injuries especially to the likes of lukaku Barkley or geri or
Stones then we will struggle no matter what

That's why the top teams have 3 strikers costing 28mil
Unless we get bought that's not happening anytime some

I would be happy to take the risk on yarmalenko who said last night he would be back in a few weeks
As he's a class above Naismith & mirallas

And as for the Wolfsburg game we all know we would have got smashed on another night
They dominated the game

 

[Osamabindiesel]

I hate to be a pessimist, but I expect us to lose at least one of our key players next season while investing very little in the next two windows. Yes, we are young and inexperienced, but if we want to keep these guys we can't be dropping points like this week after week if we want to keep the best. What we are crying out for is a big proven signing (or an unkown possibly spectacular Yarmalenko) and a very good squad player.

I honestly could stomach losing Stones (albeit I could see us getting screwed because of that crappy clause we have with his former club), but this team would wither away without Lukaku. Kenwrong has absolutely crushed my hopes and dreams for the club by selfishly clinging to something he can't even invest in.

 

[Zatara]

I think we need to have faith in the manager in this case. Personally i think his one weak spot so far has been keeping hold of players too long...i still cant believe he rejected £8mil for Naismith....perhaps he feels Norwich will come in higher in Jan with relegation fears.

Or perhaps he also didnt have time for a replacement...who knows.

But despite United's expenditure they don't have a very deep squad - they have gutted it of experienced fringe players which is precisely my concern.

Of course we wouldn't be fine if Rom was injured regardless of our transfer policy but believe one of Naismith/Mirallas replacing Rom would be significantly better than thrusting Yarmolenko into the role with no adaption time.

Just think taking the sort of risk you are suggesting is too high in the January window, you disagree so best we leave it there, especially as you said yourself it is very unlikely to happen.

 

[toffeejack]

I hate to be a pessimist, but I expect us to lose at least one of our key players next season while investing very little in the next two windows. Yes, we are young and inexperienced, but if we want to keep these guys we can't be dropping points like this week after week if we want to keep the best. What we are crying out for is a big proven signing (or an unkown possibly spectacular Yarmalenko) and a very good squad player.

I honestly could stomach losing Stones (albeit I could see us getting screwed because of that crappy clause we have with his former club), but this team would wither away without Lukaku. Kenwrong has absolutely crushed my hopes and dreams for the club by selfishly clinging to something he can't even invest in.

everyone said this throughout last season

 

[Zatara]

So, if we have tens of millions of additional TV money and £50mil+ from a major sale you think we will invest "very little"?

Remember, TV money is huge and increases per position in the table. Also values of the young players should logically keep increasing as they develop...

Even if you dont like the chairman, it wouldnt make any business sense at all.

I hate to be a pessimist, but I expect us to lose at least one of our key players next season while investing very little in the next two windows. Yes, we are young and inexperienced, but if we want to keep these guys we can't be dropping points like this week after week if we want to keep the best. What we are crying out for is a big proven signing (or an unkown possibly spectacular Yarmalenko) and a very good squad player.

I honestly could stomach losing Stones (albeit I could see us getting screwed because of that crappy clause we have with his former club), but this team would wither away without Lukaku. Kenwrong has absolutely crushed my hopes and dreams for the club by selfishly clinging to something he can't even invest in.

 

[Zatara]

How many of the 10 can be considered consistent players though?

Howard -needs replacing
Mirallas- surely will be off
Naismith - not good enough

The others arent even 2nd choices...

Its vastly different to selling any first 11 players.

Even if it we where going to do business we wouldn't be sending out 10 players. A squad can't thrive with that level of turnover. Look how long it is taking Juventus to get going this season. We'd set ourselves back so far doing that

 

[Osamabindiesel]

Players might force their way out is my point. They may want champions league football (I couldn't blame them honestly). We have great potential, but players aren't patient these days.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Lukaku has zero competition. Mirallas/Naismith arent even considered good enough to be rotated with him for any meaningful length of time. Charlie Austins contract expires in the summer, weve been linked with Dembele of Fulham and Breel Embolo and Martinez even went for Martial on loan when we were rumoured to be interested in signing Traore. There's got to be options on loan, for good value or blockbuster signings....

On the left side, Cleverley i think makes the most sense with Baines back now but long term he looks good in the centre. Again, there will be options available for loans, good value or blockbuster signings like Inaki Williams who weve been linked with or Yarmolenko himself.

For me, moving on Mirallas almost seems inevitable now and McGeady,McAleny,Gibson should also be moved on. The only question mark is really on Naismith who has the right attitude and offers something different BUT never a first choice so if Lukaku was unavailable we wouldnt look too great anyway.

Kone can play on the left (along with Cleverley) and up front. Meaning the funds generated (and anything left over from summer) could be used wisely to bring in players in both positions through moving on players who Martinez doesnt rate as good enough...

The squad would get a massive boost of morale and "on paper" we would look far stronger.

If Martinez was offered Yarmolenko or Embolo or Inaki for mirallas+Naismith he'd be mad not to do the deal....for the others and any left over funds there would be loan options or Austin/Dembele type signings available.

Much improved chances of champions league/cup win and better long term for the squad.

Losing McGeady, Mirallas, Naismith and McAleny all at one time would dramatically decrease our attacking options and other than Austin none of your replacements has premier league experience so very difficult to predict how they would adapt.

It is a philosophical difference Zat, you believe a radical overhaul of our fringe players would be healthy and likely immediately successful whereas I'm not convinced on either but certainly not in the January window.