Everton Summer transfers 2021

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TheBigIguana said:
I'm just saying people would bring them up as players we should sign thinking they'd move us forward but personally I feel neither is anywhere close to Gana's past level, so imo that isn't aiming higher at all.

I get it, Gueye was average with the ball, but he was legitimately in a group of 5 or so guys in terms of winning it back and that is extremely valuable. I mean we've seen where it got Kante who was only ever marginally better in possession if he was at all. It's similar to how people talk about James not being good defensively but it shouldn't matter, players have different jobs and Gueye did his at an elite level as James does.
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Gana elite level? Haha he did certain things well, I'll give you that but I'm not having elite level. Lee Carsley was better (just one example)
 
Kris75 said:
Gana elite level? Haha he did certain things well, I'll give you that but I'm not having elite level. Lee Carsley was better (just one example)
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I think people have very short term memories in footy, Gana was very good in that last 6 months, (IMO) he was playing to make sure PSG came back for him in the summer, and we'd said he could go. But before that he was good, but nowhere near that level. We got as much as we were ever going to get for him, and got rid at the start of the decline from his peak. the perfect transfer 'saga' from a revenue perspective IMO.
 

Stephenlloyd said:
Months ago I would have agreed with you, but I wonder looking at
Davies and what ancelotti has had in the past, in that holding role If he wants someone who’s maybe is more of a ball player in that position. And legs around him.

I’m not saying Davies is set for the number 6 role for next 10years. I don’t know enough about gbamin,
I’m terms of what his main strengths are.
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At this point literally nobody does
 
Tree13 said:
I would have thought two Americans would understand roster management better, given that it's such a big thing in the NFL.

@carolinablue232 they key is the very last word you've used: needs. If we wait until we NEED a CB we will get hammered in the transfer market, because everyone will know we need one. Instead we can use our current position of strength in depth at CB to create money, which can then be used to improve other areas of the squad where we a re currently desperately short. I'm not saying we HAVE to do it, i'm just saying it's a valid approach. Selling Keane when he is highly-valued by other clubs is better than selling him when he's finished (see Ashley Williams as an example) and we shouldn't ever sell a player if doing so would leave us scrambling about for cover in that position. It's the Ozzie Newsome school of roster management.

@TheBigIguana I would not be confused at all if the following happened:

a) Carlo or Brands identify younger hot prospect CB available at a decent fee (say, £22m) - let's call him "Ken Bodfrey"
b) Club signs Ken Bodfrey.
c) Ken Bodfrey makes a series of appearances, generally impressing everyone.
d) Six months later, another CB (let's call him "Terry Zina" ) at Everton is approaching contract renegotiation time.
e) Terry Zina is seen to be one of the two "best" CBs at Everton BUT he's on a big wage.
f) Terry's agent says "Give my client a big pay rise or he walks".
g) Everton has Ken Bodfrey waiting in the wings, so the agent has little leverage.
h) Everton says "we're offering £xyz. That's it. If you want to find your client another club during a global pandemic, go for it. We will want a fee of £40m as your client is still under contract, is in his mid-20s and has been playing well in the Prem."

Now this is where it gets fun. Either:

i) Agent finds a club interested in signing Terry Zina.
j) Terry leaves Everton in the summer for £40m, replaced in the lineup by Ken Bodfrey.
k) Everton uses the £40m to help fund a new RB / RW / CM / some lawnmowers / whatever

OR

i) Agent backs down, Terry signs new deal, stays at Everton on a wage the club can sustain.
j) Everton start researching which clubs are likely to be in need of a CB in the summer.
k) If clubs needing CBs are identified, Everton approach the agent of their other "best" CB at the club (let's call him "Cycle Bean")
l) Everton say to Cycle Bean's agent "there's a chance here for you, your client and us to make some cash. If you can get a personal terms agreeable to your client, we would accept a fee of £35m for him (plus any increments deemed sensible). If no-one's biting, no harm done."
m) agent either gets a couple of offers on the table for Cycle Bean or he doesn't.
n) If offers are there, Everton sells Cycle Bean for a profit and replaces him in the lineup with Ken Bodfrey. The funds generated by the sale go towards RB / RW / CM / lawnmowers

The point is Mina and Keane are assets, with fluctuating values. As good as they are, we aren't winning trophies unless we upgrade other parts of the team. We need cash to upgrade the team. We have a very able third CB who could conceivably step up and replace one of Mina or Keane permanently, AND we have another promising young CB out on loan who could become part of the squad next September if needed. That's before even considering if Carlo or Brands have spotted another young CB available on a decent fee...

You don't sell players from a position where you have no cover. You don't sell players who have a low market value. You don't wait until players are on the decline before you try to shift them.

There are lots of sensible financial / business reasons why Mina or Keane could leave the club in the summer and, if handled correctly, it would be advisable for the club to consider doing so. Having said that, if we don't need to improve cashflow then sure, we stand pat.
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I appreciate the effort you've put in here, but I don't think drawing parallels between building a team in the NFL and PL is a good idea. They're just too different systematically.

The problem with all of these scenarios imo is that playing Godfrey and selling Keane/Mina makes the team worse and we are a team constructed for the present.
 

MikeH72 said:
Overall in his career yes, but for us I can’t look past Carsley, love the guy to death.
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I love Carsley one of my favourite players in my life time. Don’t think there’s a massive difference between them but think Barry had a bit more about him, his passing and vision was top drawer, especially in his first season for us when you just knew with him in the middle he would clean up everything and pick out a quality pass to Barkley, Lukaku or Deulofeu on the counter.
 
Everton owner Farhad Moshiri is planning to back Carlo Ancelotti to the hilt in this summer’s transfer market regardless of a top-four finish, Football Insider has been told.

The Merseysiders are pushing hard for a Champions League spot after ending their derby hoodoo with Saturday’s 2-1 win over Liverpool at Anfield.
 
hoppy said:
Everton owner Farhad Moshiri is planning to back Carlo Ancelotti to the hilt in this summer’s transfer market regardless of a top-four finish, Football Insider has been told.

The Merseysiders are pushing hard for a Champions League spot after ending their derby hoodoo with Saturday’s 2-1 win over Liverpool at Anfield.
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Did Liverpool score in the 48th hour of extra time?
 

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