Everton Summer transfers 2021

[kenada_blue]

Is he very good.
He’s had a very good half season in 5yrs. Last game at centre back in a 2 was v Fulham

Last year's players player of the year and a bumper new contract says the club believe him to be good.

 

[kenada_blue]

Reminds me of when everyone was flapping saying we were valuing Kenny too low at £10m, only for it to turn out that nobody was willing to offer any money for him at all. I’d be amazed if anyone was willing to pay much more than £20m for holgate.

Matter of opinion cos he's not going anywhere anyway.

And have we tried selling Kenny?

 

[Lanolin]

Matter of opinion cos he's not going anywhere anyway.

And have we tried selling Kenny?

We'll see I suppose. I would imagine Kenny has been theoretically for sale for the last 3/4 years, but he was definitely available in January.

 

[Stephenlloyd]

Last year's players player of the year and a bumper new contract says the club believe him to be good.

I think the contract it to protect the asset as they say, if he had kicked on this season and been outstanding and got in the England squad . And we hadn’t given him a new deal, we now could be in a bad situation and lose him for peanuts

We aren’t waiting for youngsters to become brilliant before giving them better deals, for a kick off it gives their agent more pulling power, big clubs want you mason, we can get another 50k a week out of Everton.

Its a calculated gamble

 

[ElGato]

Turn the question on its head.

In a high line would you prefer both centre backs to be quick, or just one?

If we played a bit higher then we could use Godfrey as the covering defender due to his pace. Wouldnt you prefer to see Godfrey going out to snap forwards with another quick ball playing defender on the cover?



Of course we need a centre back, unless you would prefer us to continue sitting deep every game.

We have a full house of centre backs but only one who can become top class.



if you sell Holgate then you cant play the 3 at the back with him and Godfrey as the wide centre backs. You cant play Keane and Mina in a 3, its suicidal.

We go with Godfrey/Holgate + one of Keane/Mina as rotation for the new signing.





Incorrect. I said we could afford to do that.

Thats due to Moshiri and USMs appetite.

Both of those clubs have financial issues due to the way dortmund is run and Inter's Chinese owners pulling the plug.



Exactly. If you sell then its Keane (peak value) or Mina (2 years left)...or both and bring in a younger top notch centre back with world class potential.

Think Ruben Dias effect for City...alongside Godfrey.




If we go 3 at the back then we can do this.

If we go for an expansive 4 then we would need to splash on multiple wide players in addition to CB, CM and RB



Holgate at worst can play CB in a 4 + RCB in a 3. In addition he can play both full back positions as long as were deep and hes focused on defence.

Keane/Mina can only play CB. Both in a 4 or a 3 they play CB. Thats all.

Godfrey of course, similar to Holgate. Ancelotti said he likes these types and both of them arent at their peak value and have many years in them.




We never play a high line with Keane being a liability.

So many people think hes pracitcally world class while hes just an effective lump to have in a deep defence.

Find a buyer for him and lets go and sign actual top players.

This lid gets it.

CB may not be a priority area (agree that RB, a decent winger and a CM are probably top of the list) but to claim that we don't need a CB is nonsense. Our drop back and defend the edge of the six yard box tactics this year have been designed because we are so deficient in that area. Keano and Yerry look good in that system, because it plays to their strengths, but it seriously limits our ability to control the ball and play our better footballers into the game with possession. Also it doesn't suit Jordy, who is more of a sweeper keeper / one on one stopper, and not someone who will clear out a load of bodies and command the area.

Replace Keane or Mina with a genuine Champs League quality CB and I think you will see the entire team will step up a level.

 

[Zatara]

Godfrey is not a guaranteed starter if all defenders are fit
The other 3 new signings are
Godfrey is definitely a very successful signing as he will only get better

Godfrey is our best defender.

Its who partners him.

To all the glass half full fans. Who wet their knickers every summer over FFP. And we’ve got no money, covid, big losses, we can’t sell the deadwood

if that happens then i expect things to be fast tracked...huge huge summer.

We had no FFP last Summer and spent £60m.

There was FFP last summer. Two seasons were rolled into one i believe.

If Koubailly was world class, he wouldn't be at Napoli at the start of the end of his career being touted to us at £35mill.

Carlo only prefers Keane and Mina cos we don't have a right back and Holgate plays there.

He didnt start his career at Napoli.

When they signed him he wasnt very good and had a lot of one to one coaching on his positioning etc.

Clubs (such as ourselves) were in for him over the years at Napoli but the owner always priced him at the highest ever fee for a centre back. The big fees spent have generally been either on younger players or those in the same league as the bidding club.

Hes still a fantastic defender, however one of his main attributes is his pace. My guess is that has 3 top years in him.

Great player for a short term boost but id rather we went all out for one of the younger stars with world class potential that stays for a decade -- like a more finished Godfrey.

This lid gets it.

CB may not be a priority area (agree that RB, a decent winger and a CM are probably top of the list) but to claim that we don't need a CB is nonsense. Our drop back and defend the edge of the six yard box tactics this year have been designed because we are so deficient in that area. Keano and Yerry look good in that system, because it plays to their strengths, but it seriously limits our ability to control the ball and play our better footballers into the game with possession. Also it doesn't suit Jordy, who is more of a sweeper keeper / one on one stopper, and not someone who will clear out a load of bodies and command the area.

Replace Keane or Mina with a genuine Champs League quality CB and I think you will see the entire team will step up a level.

Precisely. Good point on Pickford as well.

I like Mina but would sell both of them to bring in one u23 age star centre back

 

[kenada_blue]

I think the contract it to protect the asset as they say, if he had kicked on this season and been outstanding and got in the England squad . And we hadn’t given him a new deal, we now could be in a bad situation and lose him for peanuts

We aren’t waiting for youngsters to become brilliant before giving them better deals, for a kick off it gives their agent more pulling power, big clubs want you mason, we can get another 50k a week out of Everton.

Its a calculated gamble

Then we'll have to see how he performs as a centre back

 

[Stephenlloyd]

Then we'll have to see how he performs as a centre back

He won’t get a game unless there’s injuries,
He’s 4th choice now.
Or unless we play a 3

 

[kenada_blue]

This lid gets it.

CB may not be a priority area (agree that RB, a decent winger and a CM are probably top of the list) but to claim that we don't need a CB is nonsense. Our drop back and defend the edge of the six yard box tactics this year have been designed because we are so deficient in that area. Keano and Yerry look good in that system, because it plays to their strengths, but it seriously limits our ability to control the ball and play our better footballers into the game with possession. Also it doesn't suit Jordy, who is more of a sweeper keeper / one on one stopper, and not someone who will clear out a load of bodies and command the area.

Replace Keane or Mina with a genuine Champs League quality CB and I think you will see the entire team will step up a level.

You can say that about the other positions that are a bigger priority - RB, CM, Wide player.

1 genuine quality midfielder improves us more than a CB that we have adequate cover for IMO

 

[Zatara]

He won’t get a game unless there’s injuries,
He’s 4th choice now.
Or unless we play a 3

Hes only playing RB as its him or Coleman and Ancelotti must feel that hes the best option there.

More Koulibaly rumours...he comes in then Keane/Mina are gone:

Everton 'eye summer swoop for Napoli's Kalidou Koulibaly'

Napoli centre back Kalidou Koulibaly (left) is among the top targets of Everton this summer as they look to kick on again next season, according to reports.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[kenada_blue]

He won’t get a game unless there’s injuries,
He’s 4th choice now.
Or unless we play a 3

Not entirely the case especially if we get Europe next season and the amount of games.

You say he's 4th choice now and that's mainly down to the fact he's had to play right back.

We have a fit a defence, you're talking form and competition. Which last season he out performed Keane.

 

[Stephenlloyd]

Not entirely the case especially if we get Europe next season and the amount of games.

You say he's 4th choice now and that's mainly down to the fact he's had to play right back.

We have a fit a defence, you're talking form and competition. Which last season he out performed Keane.

You rate him, that fine I don’t that much. I think he’s poor technically. And in 18 months I don’t see him at the club.

 

[Lanolin]

This lid gets it.

CB may not be a priority area (agree that RB, a decent winger and a CM are probably top of the list) but to claim that we don't need a CB is nonsense. Our drop back and defend the edge of the six yard box tactics this year have been designed because we are so deficient in that area. Keano and Yerry look good in that system, because it plays to their strengths, but it seriously limits our ability to control the ball and play our better footballers into the game with possession. Also it doesn't suit Jordy, who is more of a sweeper keeper / one on one stopper, and not someone who will clear out a load of bodies and command the area.

Replace Keane or Mina with a genuine Champs League quality CB and I think you will see the entire team will step up a level.

Not one player in our squad would be a starter in an ideal world, we could theoretically improve in every single position. I don't think anybody thinks our centre halves are the best around, but unless we have an enormous amount of money to spend this summer I can't see us prioritising a centre half when there are other positions we barely have functional options in.

 

[Toffe3m4n]

The Koulibaly stuff is a bit weird. We're pretty stocked for CB's now if you include Branthwaite and the fact that Gbamin can also play there in a pinch.

 

[Jim Hopper]

Koulibaly is approaching 30 and plays in a pre-retirement league in Italy having spent most of his career in farmers leagues. Always sussy taking ageing players from the Serie A, Allan included who has also struggled with fitness. I’d be disappointed if we spent most of our budget on him, especially in a position we don’t need to really strengthen in. Priority should be that right side, literally everything we have should be ploughed into that side only.