Everton Summer Transfer Thread - 2022

[Llyrap]

Its early but so far this summer transfer window has another 1.5 million spend vibe to it from the serious links that have emerged

Yes but to be fair at least we didn't sign a dud in that window- Rondon aside.

Pre-Summer 2020 our success rate in buying actual players that would either contribute to the team or at least recoup their transfer fee was around 50%.

 

[gedefc]

Its early but so far this summer transfer window has another 1.5 million spend vibe to it from the serious links that have emerged

If thats the case we need to enter the loan market

 

[Curtis]

Yes but to be fair at least we didn't sign a dud in that window- Rondon aside.

Pre-Summer 2020 our success rate in buying actual players that would either contribute to the team or at least recoup their transfer fee was around 50%.

Correct we didnt buy any duds but we neglected to buy players in positions we lacked quality or had an absence of depth

 

[hktoffee]

Maybe we buy before the transfer of Richy would go though.

 

[Tony’s Carp]

It's not totally out of the question we could spend up to 50 million on a guy like Nunes, especially if the deal was structured with a lower up front payment. Between Richarlison, Kean and getting in a few quid for guys like Mina and Gomes we could in theory bring in 100 mil + this summer in which case, with a starting CB already in on a free, Lampard & Thelwell may decide to use half that on a genuine quality midfielder, the thing we need the most. That would still leave plenty money in the tank for, say, KLP and another CM, and we could plug remaining gaps with loans and maybe a couple of bargain basement signings.

 

[MisterJ]

Not sure what you are trying to say mate. I don't particularly want to argue but the link is to an opinion piece from a now defunct legal firm from Eastern Europe and there will be differing jurisdictional issues in plain contract law setting aside FIFA Regs.

If your point is that Richarlison could breach his contract and pay the remainder up and then appear at another team I disagree.

If your point is that he can tear up his contract and he and his new team would be liable for compensation not limited to the terms of his contract and potential sporting sanctions then I would agree with you.

Even if you look at the article it summarises as follows (the but is important):-.

A player may unilaterally and prematurely terminate the contract even without just cause, exercising his fundamental right of freedom of movement, though simultaneously violating Article 13 of FIFA Regulations and principle of pacta sunt servanda, but from another side he will be subject to severe consequences for such termination (compensation and sporting sanctions) available under Article 17.

In the CAS Summary its suggested that compensation could be the costs of replacing that player with add ons.

In other words the new team or Richarlison could be liable personally for his value on the open market. A further issue is that if he were to join a Premier League side he would be in direct competition with us and accordingly there is an arguable case for an injunction under domestic law. If we were in Europe competition then conceivably it could also be extended to a specific European competition.

So yes, he could but it would get very messy indeed for him and could be ruinous. For any team that he signs for it could be messy and more expensive than a transfer and they may be deprived of his services for a period of time.

With the world cup nearly on us Richarlison would have to be very badly advised to take that route.

We don't hear about it a lot because of the above but the Webster ruling, with respect, related to a player of low value in relative terms and therefore the compensatory element would have been very low. It's therefore more applicable to easily replaceable players which correlates with the general employment contract law position.

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I've always wondered why players ca't resign

If I wanted to leave my firm, I need to give 3 months notice in writing; guess this just isn't something found in footballers contracts

 

[roydo]

I've always wondered why players ca't resign

If I wanted to leave my firm, I need to give 3 months notice in writing; guess this just isn't something found in footballers contracts

Would your company still pay you full pay if you couldnt work for 2 years? Or were terrible at your job?

 

[AsiaAsia82]

I think it’s something to do with the club holding the players registration, not the actual contract that keeps them at a club

 

[MisterJ]

Would your company still pay you full pay if you couldnt work for 2 years? Or were terrible at your job?

I do hope so...?

 

[MKEvertonian]

Nottingham forest looking at Moussa Niakhate, very good centre back and it’s annoying.

 

[matty1878]

Maybe we buy before the transfer of Richy would go though.

maybe we don’t sell richy

 

[WestStandLower]

I’m not saying players at 30 crumble into dust, it’s more the point he’d want a 3yr deal at least. On wages no other clubs around the world could pay him. Apart from ones that wouldn’t be interested in him , so we’re basically stuck with him. The whole deal over 3 years could cost us 30mil, I think we could use that money better.

I can’t wait to see how villa try and get rid of, digne, ings and coutinho in 2 yrs

Not sure what you are trying to say mate. I don't particularly want to argue but the link is to an opinion piece from a now defunct legal firm from Eastern Europe and there will be differing jurisdictional issues in plain contract law setting aside FIFA Regs.

If your point is that Richarlison could breach his contract and pay the remainder up and then appear at another team I disagree.

If your point is that he can tear up his contract and he and his new team would be liable for compensation not limited to the terms of his contract and potential sporting sanctions then I would agree with you.

Even if you look at the article it summarises as follows (the but is important):-.

A player may unilaterally and prematurely terminate the contract even without just cause, exercising his fundamental right of freedom of movement, though simultaneously violating Article 13 of FIFA Regulations and principle of pacta sunt servanda, but from another side he will be subject to severe consequences for such termination (compensation and sporting sanctions) available under Article 17.

In the CAS Summary its suggested that compensation could be the costs of replacing that player with add ons.

In other words the new team or Richarlison could be liable personally for his value on the open market. A further issue is that if he were to join a Premier League side he would be in direct competition with us and accordingly there is an arguable case for an injunction under domestic law. If we were in Europe competition then conceivably it could also be extended to a specific European competition.

So yes, he could but it would get very messy indeed for him and could be ruinous. For any team that he signs for it could be messy and more expensive than a transfer and they may be deprived of his services for a period of time.

With the world cup nearly on us Richarlison would have to be very badly advised to take that route.

We don't hear about it a lot because of the above but the Webster ruling, with respect, related to a player of low value in relative terms and therefore the compensatory element would have been very low. It's therefore more applicable to easily replaceable players which correlates with the general employment contract law position.

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Its not worth going round in circles but a player under contract can end his contract 1 ) Without Sporting Just Cause or 2) With Sporting Just Cause.
As I pointed out yesterday the with SJ C is normally when wages haven’t been paid or a seasoned professional hasn’t featured, when fit in 10% of first team games
CAS have ruled on several cases where a player has unilaterally walked from a contract.If the question of compensation ends up at CAS there isn’t a template in terms of the method or amount that will be paid but should the player have gone on and signed for a club then it’s highly likely that any award will be payable on a joint and several basis. As for the players value there have been differing approaches the first was the amortised value but I am not sure that a “ market value has ever been applied but it was suggested recently that Lewendsoki would move on a Webster and that whilst Bayern estimated the players value at £35+ million the likelihood was that any compensation would be less than £20 million
Of course all this is academic if he is sold

 

[nevsonlymate]

Would your company still pay you full pay if you couldnt work for 2 years? Or were terrible at your job?

Everton do it on a regular basis but it's normally 4-5 years

 

[samsonthedog1]

With the Nunes stuff, couldn't we give them Gomes on a free to help sweeten the deal? I know there's been interest in Portugal for him

 

[Paulie]

Yes but to be fair at least we didn't sign a dud in that window- Rondon aside.

Pre-Summer 2020 our success rate in buying actual players that would either contribute to the team or at least recoup their transfer fee was around 50%.

I wouldn't call him a dud personally. Probably going against the grain here but we signed him to do what he was doing the last quarter of the season. He would come off the bench with 10/15 minutes to go and offer a physical presence. The best example is Leicester at home when he made an instant impact when he came on.

We certainly never signed him to start games from the off like he was doing as DCL and Richarlison were both out.

Then again, with Rafael I wouldn't know if that is true actually.

Even still, as a player to come off the bench for 10 minutes, as long as his wages are reasonable, I don't think he's all that bad.