Everton Players flop at world cup......

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Siggy misses pen at vital point in game causing his team to go on and lose.

Gueye stands like a hooker on the post and watches the ball bounce past him sending Senegal home.

Will Pickford be the reason England go out to make it 100% flops
So what you're saying is...you've been too busy to watch ANY of the World Cup and are trying to start pointless arguments. Got it. Quality post this.
 
So you defend Klassen, Sandro and players like that but slate our record scorer in the premier league.
Players like that... who are yet to play a match for a good manager, and in Sandro's case - a match, really, for us. Yeah, I defend them. If you don't give anyone a chance you'll be left with the Jagielka's and Baines' when they're 40 at this rate, just because "that one pen they scored 9 years ago for us was vital".
 
Players like that... who are yet to play a match for a good manager, and in Sandro's case - a match, really, for us. Yeah, I defend them. If you don't give anyone a chance you'll be left with the Jagielka's and Baines' when they're 40 at this rate, just because "that one pen they scored 9 years ago for us was vital".

So on that basis we should keep Ashley Williams as he hasn't played a match for a good manager.
 
No mate. Read again instead of wumming mate.

Sandro = what, 7 games, all for 30 min, from the bench? Scored regardless.
Williams = about 60 games, sadly, has been crap in 59 of them.

You defended the likes of Klassen and Sandro by saying " They never played for a good manager "

Ashley Williams has also played at Everton for the same managers.

You can't move the goalposts for different players.
 
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