Everton now have the longest winless run at their 'big' derby rivals Stadium in Europe

[Sheedy's right knee.]

I think the more legs we give to debates like this, the more likely we are to fall in this fixture. If I was the manager I would get a decent sports psychologist in to prepare them and also let them make the decision on how the players are to deal with the media including reading papers watching any coverage in the week preceding the fixture.

 

[toffeejack]

Don't really get that upset anymore, I expect it.

 

[joseph]

Don't worry, we'll get them next season. It has to end some time.

 

[Gufty]

These stats are really depressing. OK we will have bad streaks at various grounds, but on a ground where we won the league before they were even formed really hurts.

 

[Paulie]

This is our problem, we read too much into Derbies. We need to just treat them like any other game, managers make weird decisions in them and players like Barkley let the occasion take over. If we treated it like a normal game and play our own game and stop letting the occasion get to us I reckon we'd get better results against the [Poor language removed].

 

[COYBL25]

Don't really get that upset anymore, I expect it.

Spot on.

We've become desentisised to losing to them now, which is quite despressing in itself.

 

[ClausThomsen]

Done and dusted now. Get 3 pts at OT on Tues and then next year we'll smash the RS home and away, both cup finals and the Europa.

 

[Durham Toffee]

It further adds to our underdog status; for me, that's part of being an Everton fan. That isn't to say we're victims, or living in shadows, or even that we're bitter and cowering.

We're just underdogs. Not plucky. That's another thing.

We're just modest, and we have to work hard at getting things right; it doesn't come naturally and that's hard to swallow. But it makes victory even sweeter when it comes.

I'm largely talking drivel at this point after one too many Woods 100 Export Rum, but that won't stop me...

I like Everton because of who we are and who we are is part of THAT relationship in THAT derby.

I like who we are because of that, not in spite of that.

Does that make sense?

 

[Saint Domingo]

It further adds to our underdog status; for me, that's part of being an Everton fan. That isn't to say we're victims, or living in shadows, or even that we're bitter and cowering.

We're just underdogs. Not plucky. That's another thing.

We're just modest, and we have to work hard at getting things right; it doesn't come naturally and that's hard to swallow. But it makes victory even sweeter when it comes.

I'm largely talking drivel at this point after one too many Woods 100 Export Rum, but that won't stop me...

I like Everton because of who we are and who we are is part of THAT relationship in THAT derby.

I like who we are because of that, not in spite of that.

Does that make sense?

I get you but just because we are the intelligent normal half of the red blue divide doesn't mean we are any less deserving of success. The powers that be at Goodison for too long have taken advantage of our patient philosophical nature as fans. We shrug our shoulders, think about the bigger things in life, then are behind the team the next game as though nothing has happened. The team has finished bottom half twice yet attendances are just going up and up. Meanwhile Arsenal fans are hounding out their most successful manager who only 2 years ago won back to back FA cups as they're tired of 'only' qualifying for the CL and winning FA cups. If a Liverpool manager lost a Derby now their job would be under threat, if an Everton manager won one they'll now go down in history. It's gone too far. I hate to say it but @chicoazul is wrong. It's our acceptance of mediocrity that is allowing this to prevail. This tainting of wanting to win as somehow being 'kopite' or Geordie. It's not. There's nothing teenage about holding the standards of Everton as what they should be. Instead we've had 2 decades of a board who have been allowed to get away with declining this club to a plucky underdog scrapping for best of the rest when we used to be the kings of English football.

 

[chicoazul]

I get you but just because we are the intelligent normal half of the red blue divide doesn't mean we are any less deserving of success. The powers that be at Goodison for too long have taken advantage of our patient philosophical nature as fans. We shrug our shoulders, think about the bigger things in life, then are behind the team the next game as though nothing has happened. The team has finished bottom half twice yet attendances are just going up and up. Meanwhile Arsenal fans are hounding out their most successful manager who only 2 years ago won back to back FA cups as they're tired of 'only' qualifying for the CL and winning FA cups. If a Liverpool manager lost a Derby now their job would be under threat, if an Everton manager won one they'll now go down in history. It's gone too far. I hate to say it but @chicoazul is wrong. It's our acceptance of mediocrity that is allowing this to prevail. This tainting of wanting to win as somehow being 'kopite' or Geordie. It's not. There's nothing teenage about holding the standards of Everton as what they should be. Instead we've had 2 decades of a board who have been allowed to get away with declining this club to a plucky underdog scrapping for best of the rest when we used to be the kings of English football.

Fair enough but trust me mate all this "visualise/demand success and it will happen" is nothing more than tokenism ingested by naive Millennials. Whilst it's admirable it's a tiny % of what causes success to occur. The fans have little to do with their club winning trophies nowadays.

I remember when we were the "kings of English football" as you state and it wasn't down to Kendall, player acquisition, young players developing and momentum.

 

[Durham Toffee]

I get you but just because we are the intelligent normal half of the red blue divide doesn't mean we are any less deserving of success. The powers that be at Goodison for too long have taken advantage of our patient philosophical nature as fans. We shrug our shoulders, think about the bigger things in life, then are behind the team the next game as though nothing has happened. The team has finished bottom half twice yet attendances are just going up and up. Meanwhile Arsenal fans are hounding out their most successful manager who only 2 years ago won back to back FA cups as they're tired of 'only' qualifying for the CL and winning FA cups. If a Liverpool manager lost a Derby now their job would be under threat, if an Everton manager won one they'll now go down in history. It's gone too far. I hate to say it but @chicoazul is wrong. It's our acceptance of mediocrity that is allowing this to prevail. This tainting of wanting to win as somehow being 'kopite' or Geordie. It's not. There's nothing teenage about holding the standards of Everton as what they should be. Instead we've had 2 decades of a board who have been allowed to get away with declining this club to a plucky underdog scrapping for best of the rest when we used to be the kings of English football.

Absolutely get you; inclined to agree. But I'm with @chicoazul in what he is saying. I don't think we - as fans; as a community - should lose who we are or abandon our principles in a bid for success. That comes down to the footballers, the management and the tactics being right. Cutthroat on the pitch isn't correlative to cutthroat in the stands. Our pride in our club isn't weakness; it's who we are.

I want success. But I don't want success at the expense of our soul.

 

[hullefc]

Since our last trophy we have beaten Manu and Arsenal only 7 times each, the same as we have beaten Liverpool. So nothing unusual about our run against LFC. Our club needs a root and branch overhaul and to get rid of this 'plucky little Everton tag'. Souness was close to the truth yesterday when he said we have not been good enough. As is shown in the results against Arsenal and Manu. Maybe Moshiri/Koeman axis will be the catalyst but we need to be more vocal in demanding more.

 

[streeky]

Not bothered about winning the odd game at the pit, lke palace did at chelsea yesterday, surely it must be about getting the club to a position where we can win 50% or more of our games against them,then go from there.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Fair enough but trust me mate all this "visualise/demand success and it will happen" is nothing more than tokenism ingested by naive Millennials. Whilst it's admirable it's a tiny % of what causes success to occur. The fans have little to do with their club winning trophies nowadays.

I remember when we were the "kings of English football" as you state and it wasn't down to Kendall, player acquisition, young players developing and momentum.

I get you and I agree that it's more complex than just saying we must demand better. But when you've Kenwright coming out saying "What a manager" after we've beaten the worst Chelsea side in 15 years and we're lying in 13th, then it shows that the mindset from the people at the club who matter isn't acceptable.

Our fans are patient. Too patient imo. Liverpool wouldn't accept 18 years of not winning at Goodison. They'd be going ape in their own pathetic way after about 4 years. Basically it's actions on and off field that are what matters, but the club need to raise their ambition. 7th is so so. We shouldn't ever be doing much worse than that tbh. It's not superb or anything albeit it's decent improvement this year. I want gradual improvement year on year with the end goal being titles at some point. I don't want the boss dishing out platitudes to no marks doing piss poor jobs etc.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Fair enough but trust me mate all this "visualise/demand success and it will happen" is nothing more than tokenism ingested by naive Millennials. Whilst it's admirable it's a tiny % of what causes success to occur. The fans have little to do with their club winning trophies nowadays.

I remember when we were the "kings of English football" as you state and it wasn't down to Kendall, player acquisition, young players developing and momentum.

There's a fine line isn't there. I do get where you're coming from, I just can't abide the moments after a Derby defeat when fans are rightly angry and you get the 'they've spent more money, what gives us a divine right to success' brigade out. There's nothing kopite about wanting to win. Fan action can go too far but it was this that arguably did for Martinez and got more media attention on Kenwright and the board than ever before. The cushion throwers of yesteryear had children and they want to see a successful Everton as well.