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Everton hero Andrei Kanchelskis spoke to Adam Partington from GrandOldTeam TV about his time at Everton, those two goals in front of The Kop, the difference between Ferguson and Joe Royle and his love of Hockey.


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Viva Hate via GrandOldTeam

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There was a time when Everton and Liverpool supporters revelled in a uniquely friendly rivalry, so the story goes. The apex of this was the 1980s when the two clubs dominated English football.

As fans, we were united in our city’s brilliance, each respectful of the others footballing achievement. Supporters would travel to Wembley together and the terraces would come alive with chants of ‘Merseyside, Merseyside, Merseyside’.



And then it all went wrong. The fraternity broke down. The Heysel disaster and Everton’s subsequent loss of their place in the European Cup is seen by many as the seed from which our now toxic rivalry eventually grew. From that point on the relationship began to alter and the two sets of supporters saw each other as more than just rivals and instead as something more loathsome.

But how much of the above is really true?

It’s certainly the case that for many years the rivalry between the clubs was relatively benign.

When the first league Derby took place in 1894 the only enmity that existed was between the respective boards (who were each smarting slightly after the acrimonious split). From Everton’s perspective, the board’s desire to win was best illustrated by the promise of a silk hat to each of the players should they vanquish their neighbours. And as all of us who have played football know only too well, when there is a silk hat at stake you tend to play to the best of your ability.

In the years that followed, within the context of a less partisan nationwide football environmental in general, the two sets of supporters rubbed together fairly amicably. Fans of each team would go to each others’ stadiums and Derby day rivalry was generally good natured.

But from the Shankly-era on, when Liverpool started to become the footballing presence that most people would recognise today, the relatively benign relationship definitely began to change. I doubt there are many Evertonians who lived though the team’s inability to win a derby game during much of the 1970s, and suffered the unending smugness of our neighbours, who would agree that the relationship between the blue-half and the red-half of the city was as amicable as some people would like to suggest.

‘I think from the 1960s onwards, a cockiness on Liverpool’s part (born from success), combined with occasional inflammatory remarks from their managers and players bred hostility that hadn’t been there before. It might not have been like it is today but increasingly you saw more of a divide between the two sets of supporters’ says lifelong Blue John Bohanna.



Superficially, during the 1980s the relationship appeared, to the outside world at least, to be defined by that pre-1960s cordiality. Fans did travel to Wembley together, some supporters did chant ‘Merseyside, Merseyside, Merseyside’ and a few of those involved in these games do look back fondly at the apparent sense of camaraderie.

‘At the end of the Milk Cup Final I ran around Wembley with Alan Kennedy. We had a blue scarf and a red scarf tied together above our heads. I remember the fans singing ‘Merseyside, Merseyside’, Merseyside’ and it still brings a lump to my throat thinking about it now. It was an occasion that you just don’t forget and which was a privilege to be part of’ recalls John Bailey fondly.

And yet, despite this veneer of cordiality, the process of growing mutual antipathy that had started in the 1960s maintained its inexorable progression. Take that Milk Cup Final as an example. To an outsider, the fleets of mixed cars heading south together and the chants of ‘Merseyside’ speak of an occasion that seemed to embody the notion of the ‘friendly derby’.

But from another perspective, as Graham Ennis from WSAG explains, the day can be seen differently.

‘Although people travelled down together and there was no division between the fans, that’s just what the city is like. But that didn’t mean that Evertonians had any affection for Liverpool. And when it came to the game, I recall the Evertonians singing Everton songs because we were proud of what our team had done. I think the ‘Merseyside’ stuff came from the Liverpool fans, largely because they knew they’d underperformed and probably wanted to extract a bit of pride from the game by jumping on the ‘Merseyside’ bandwagon.’

‘Merseyside/Merseypride’ might have played well in the press and the rivalry was free from the violence that characterised cities such as Glasgow, Milan and Belgrade but to suggest that Liverpudlians and Evertonians were one big happy family is just a myth.

But what is certainly true is that the relationship between the two sets of fans has deteriorated markedly since the 1980s, reaching the point today where the breakdown is probably irrevocable. Too much has passed between the clubs for this ever to recover.

Each set of fans has their own list of grievances. Reds think us Blues bitter, jealous and consumed with envy, and we Blues think them smug, shallow and almost homo-erotically obsessed with Kenny Dalglish (or Jurgen Klopp, Steven Gerrard, Ian Rush etc etc.etc, take your pick)



The ‘bitter’ tag is an odd one for Evertonians because although many of us of a certain age do unquestionably harbour a degree of resentment for what unfolded after Heysel, it barely compares to the level of resentment that Liverpudlians harbour towards Man Utd for superseding their achievement, a level of sourness that would be best visually represented by the image of Dot Cotton licking [Poor language removed] a lemon. It’s often hard and confusing to be labelled ‘bitter’ by the bitterest fans in the country.

As a result of the above and any number of additional grievances, the Merseyside derby has become one of the most poisonous fixtures in the Premier League calendar. The games themselves are rarely beautiful to watch, consisting mainly of frenetic football and wild tackles. For most local fans the tension that’s created exceeds that of other games and in a city as divided as Liverpool in football terms, winning the fixture and being able to hold your head up high at school or work the next morning is something that really matters.

But ultimately is there anything wrong with this? Football is by its very nature a partisan sport. As long as it doesn’t descend into violence, is animosity between sets of fans something to be discouraged?

It’s not as if support of either team precludes each set of fans from befriending each other. Disagreeing with a friend’s football choices doesn’t mean you can’t ultimately get along.

After the internecine violence that so marred the game in the 1970s and 1980s it’s understandable that a lot of supporters would like to see the back of this kind of animosity that is evident between the fans of certain teams. But I think that’s part of the game’s appeal and without it football can be a little bland.

Changes to the game over the last twenty years have already robbed football of much of its character and so we should be glad that fixtures such as our Derby still exist. The atmosphere might be toxic but it’s also exciting in ways that clashes between teams that ‘get along’ could never hope to be.

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The Rivals via GrandOldTeam

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Maybe it’s a growing sign of maturity, a side advantage of not living in the City of Liverpool or a move of self-delusion but I increasingly feel less and less hate towards Liverpool Football Club. I have come to greatly resent the arrogance, misinformation and at times falsification that comes from many of their supporters when they discuss many things Everton, but that is tinged with an appreciation and respect for the football club they have built. There is much that can be learned for Everton Football Club, both good and bad as we caste our eye towards the 239th and 240th Merseyside Derby.

The biggest thing I find admirable about their support base, is the collective ability to generate a very simple, effective message which can be disseminated through all aspects of their club. When I grew up most arguments, of any nature would be ended with a Liverpool fan normally shouting “18 times” repetitively. It was a simple call to arms and a reminder that they stood alone as the most successful team in England. As Manchester United caught and overtook them, this has slowly been replaced with “5 times”, again said with the same poise that is indicative of a club who are the most successful (though Liverpool are not the most successful in this competition). However from the outside looking in, you would be hard pushed to think that Liverpool supporter’s mantra of “18 + 5” was anything other than indicative of a club that was the most successful in both categories. If you say a lie constantly and continually enough, people star to gravitate towards you and some will even believe you. It is a wonderful example of a support base taking a simple and generalizable message to alter the more complex reality that they live in. Many Evertonian’s begrudge them for this, but I have admiration for how effectively it is administered.

This attitude runs through their football club. Players very quickly learn that anything other than winning is not acceptable. I have seen two cycles of young players in my lifetime at Everton and Liverpool look comparable at a similar age, yet the ones who play for Liverpool are the ones that generally fulfill their potential. At ages 18-20 through the Premier League years Everton have produced at the very least as many talented players as their rivals, yet taking them from years 20-25 has been a great disappointed. This is where Liverpool come into their own. Lads like Carragher and Gerrard were very decent footballers at age 18-20 but a far stretch from the top class footballers they would become at age 27/28. Without doubt the standards and expectations that run through Liverpool greatly underpin this.

What Everton fail to do, in any way, is to effectively find any equivalent counter points to Liverpool’s 18 + 5 rhetoric. There is no talk of the World club cup competition Everton win (which Liverpool haven’t). There is no talk about how we are the only club who are the founders of the football league who have also been ever present in the Premier League. How we have had more Golden Boot winners than any other team. How we have held the Premier League trophy (due to two World Wars) longer than any other club. How we had more points than any other side at the turn of the 20th century and could rightly be dubbed footballs “Champions of the 20th Century”. How we have partaken in the most prevalent fixture in the top flight or we have played more games and had more seasons than any other team. There will undoubtedly be Liverpool fans snorting at such achievements, but to be successful in transmitting a clear message you have to let go of any concerns of derision from your rivals. Objectively, who is to say achieving the most top flight points is less of an achievements than having the 2nd most titles? As I said above, if you keep repeating a simple, generalizable message people will eventually shift in their thinking.



One of the sad developments of Merseyside Derbies has been the invention of the term “bitter” by Liverpool supporters towards Everton fans. No Liverpool fan has ever given me a workable definition as to how this works uniquely to Everton fans over any other group of supporters who have (a frankly illogical) hatred of their local rivals. It is important Everton fans look to reject not just the label but also the paradigm it emerges from and challenge the assumptions that go alongside it. I regularly see Liverpool fans laughing and commenting on Everton issues, in truth far more so than I see Everton fans passing comment on Liverpool issues. Rather than trying to out hate what are in many parts a studiously spiteful and hateful bunch of supporters Everton fans would be best served focusing on learning about and promoting our own unique set of achievements. No matter how many trophies Liverpool win, they will never be the first club of the city, never be the first team to win trophies at Anfield, the first team to play and win at the Old and New Wembley, be the first club rom Merseyside to win the football league and the FA Cup. The richness of Everton FC’s history should not lead us to feel hateful or envious of any football club, least of all Liverpool who will never be able to truly shed the image of being the club who followed in our footsteps.



The Derby game itself will be a very difficult match for Evertonian’s. There will undoubtedly be chants from a group of supporters about the exact date of when we last won a league game at Anfield and when we last won a trophy. These are the same set of supporters who with no sense of irony will consider Everton fans obsessional in the attitudes towards Liverpool and who will themselves not acknowledge they have won a solitary League Cup in the last decade but make out they are on a par with Real Madrid, Juventus, Barcelona, Manchester United and Bayern Munich. They have each won the league 8, 15, 14, 14 and 13 times since Liverpool last won it, to give a bit of context to the relative domestic performance of their supposed rivals.

Most Liverpool fans fail to comprehend the point that’s being made here, which is not that Everton have been any better in the last 30 years (we have been even worse) but that both Everton and Liverpool have fallen miles behind the top European teams since the hazy mid 80’s days, yet we are grounded enough to accept this reality. For many Liverpool fans, laughing at Everton has become something of the impotence of the mind to accept occurrences it cannot comprehend. Yet the message has become extremely resilient and this is a process Everton as a club and it’s fanbase can learn from. You don’t actually have to achieve something to get people outside of your bubble to believe you are on a par with teams. Everton’s first challenge is to get people in the media to accept we have a bigger history than clubs who have won less than a quarter of the league titles we have.

There will be some legitimate questions as to what doing all of this will do in terms of developing Everton. Johan Cruyff on entering Barcalona declared they had “Real Madritis”- namely that they measured everything in opposition to a perceived (and in many ways actual) victimhood in relation to Madrid. They made themselves the opposite of Madrid, and allowed Madrid to dictate and dominate the context and direction of the conversation. Cruyff noted that you would never be successful as a victim and people had to learn to frame their own club on a set of values that were unique to them and based around a positive message.

This is a central message that is worth noting not just for the derby on Sunday, or the FA Cup derby but also more broadly as we look to grow and expand as a football club. The old adage that we couldn’t care less what they say has to start being adopted more rigorously. They will do their thing at the other end of Stanley Park and may well make a great success of it, our job is to ensure our own club is living up to it’s own maximum potential. Over the next two derbies it means defend for your lives and hope for a set piece winner, over the next 2 decades it needs to be re-connecting with the history of the club. There is nothing unique about the recent unbeaten run Liverpool have had, both clubs have had 3 or 4 examples in the history of the fixture of similar runs. They come to an end at some point. For Everton, it will only happen when we learn to control what is within our power and do a better job of it than what we currently are.

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Liverpool v Everton via GrandOldTeam

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The 229th Merseyside derby is upon us, Anfield is the venue, with Everton looking to end an 18 year wait to taste victory at the home of their neighbours across the park, a win would also be the Blues’ first over Liverpool at any stadium in seven long years…

Almost two months have passed since the Reds were embarrassed by Tottenham at Wembley, but it was a real turning point for Jurgen Klopp’s men, they have not lost in the nine fixtures that have followed the 4-1 drubbing in London.

Liverpool’s attack is frightening, they are in red hot form going into this one having netted 12 goals in their previous two games against Brighton and Spartak Moscow.

But the Toffees’ form is on the up too, three wins and three clean sheets in their last three outings have seen a push up the table and a massive boost in confidence around the camp.

A good omen for Everton going into the game is the fact the last away manager to pick up three points at Anfield was Sam Allardyce, back in April when he took a struggling Crystal Palace side to the home of the Reds, played with no fear and left with a 2-1 win.

Big Sam will be looking for more of the same come Sunday.

One to watch

Mohamed Salah has set the place alight since his summer arrival from Roma, a hefty price tag alongside his failed time at Chelsea raised some eyebrows but the Egyptian has more than proved his worth. The winger has bagged himself 18 goals already this campaign in just 23 appearances, and no one has bettered his 12 in the Premier League.

A serious downfall in an Everton defence that has shipped 28 league goals this term is how they are dealing with pace, and Salah is a man with plenty of it. Mostly operating on the right, whoever is selected at left back for the Blues will have a monumental job on their hands.

Team news

The hosts will be without Alberto Moreno after the Spaniard picked up an ankle injury during their Champions League clash. Nathaniel Clyne remains side-lined. Joel Matip and Adam Lallana are doubtful.

Phil Jagielka is fit, Yannick Bolasie is back in training but is not in contention for Sunday, Leighton Baines is still a doubt.

Man in the middle –

Craig Pawson will referee the derby and having already sent Idrissa Gueye off this season he is a man not shy of a card. Four reds and 51 yellows have been dished out by Pawson this campaign.

Both sides will be eager to continue on impressive runs, Klopp is looking to keep his 100% win record against Everton but Big Sam is a man desperate to win over the doubters of his credentials, and what better way to do that then beating Liverpool on their own turf?

Up the Toffees.

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Liverpool’s Fab Four not the only derby threat, Jürgen Klopp warns Everton via The Guardian

• Liverpool’s Salah, Coutinho, Firmino and Mané in outstanding form
• Klopp also praises Oxlade-Chamberlain, Sturridge and Solanke

Jürgen Klopp has warned Everton they will have more to contend with than Liverpool’s outstanding attacking quartet on Sunday as he attempts to equal a Merseyside derby record.

Liverpool are unbeaten in 14 matches against their local rivals and can equal a club record of 15 consecutive derbies without defeat, set in the 1970s, against Sam Allardyce’s team at Anfield. Everton’s dire return there fuels Liverpool optimism – they have not won across Stanley Park since 1999 – but it is the devastating form of Mohamed Salah, Philippe Coutinho, Roberto Firmino and Sadio Mané that has given Klopp’s team impressive momentum going into the game.

Related: Philippe Coutinho leads Liverpool's merry band of inspired attackers | Andy Hunter

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Sam Allardyce dismisses Anfield fear factor: ‘We’ve got Wayne Rooney’ via The Guardian

Everton have not won at Anfield since 1999 but their manager believes 32-year-old forward can be crucial to their hopes of ending their dire run of derby form

Anfield has become a place of foreboding for Evertonians irrespective of their team’s startling decline this season and Liverpool’s prolific form. But not for Wayne Rooney. This is the game the former England captain has been waiting for since rejoining his boyhood club in July and he is the reason Sam Allardyce believes Everton should not enter the 229th Merseyside derby with fear.

“Liverpool,” said Rooney, without hesitation or mention of Manchester United, when asked in the summer what fixture he was most looking forward to back in royal blue. Rooney has never scored in a Merseyside derby. Hitting Chris Kirkland’s crossbar and not the back of the net in a goalless draw in December 2002 was as close as he came before leaving for Old Trafford and remains one of his biggest regrets. It is his mentality and intelligence on the ball, however, not his continued eye for goal, that Rooney’s new manager is relying on for Sunday’s trip across Stanley Park.

Related: Liverpool’s Fab Four not the only derby threat, Jürgen Klopp warns Everton

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