Everton: loyal to the lucre?

[lordyefc]

So whats the option then? We are stuck with the current board forever? Because in your world its not possible for anybody to buy the Club.

Of course it's possible in "my world". It's just not possible in my world for it to be entirely down to Kenwright that they haven't. Reread the post.

In my world, however, it isn't likely for a buyer to obtain 100% of the shares, which might affect the position of potential investors. That's because my world has the Companies Acts. Your world may vary.

There are buyers out there. Maybe the current owners dont wish to sell? Maybe they are asking for too much money?

Owners...plural? Is that an implicit agreement that it's not all down to Bill?

For the record, I believe that some prospective owners wouldn't demand 100% (though the fact that they could only have 80% does make us less attractive to investors - I think it makes no difference to Abromovich style benefactors). But equally, I believe that these potential investors could easily just buy Woods, Earl and Grantchester's shares.

In fact, a lot of football takeovers happen this way. Off the top of my head, United, Sunderland and Arsenal have had shareholders who slowly increased the size of their shareholdings by buying from one shareholder at a time. Somebody could do that at Everton, but nobody has. In fact, you never even hear stories that somebody has tried to buy from any of the major shareholders.

He has saddled the Club with huge debts.

Don't Everton have the 5th lowest debt in the league - and 3 of the teams with lower debt are newly promoted?

And the fact is that all most new owners do is borrow tons of money and saddle it on the club.

He is the figure head. Whether he owns 1% or 3000% shares, he IS the chairman. So surely the shabby way the club has been run is down to him?

If you think the club has been run shabbily. I don't, actually. I think a money injection would help a lot, but if your big issue with Kenwright is that he hasn't sold up, that's got nothing to do with his Chairmanship.

That's not to say I don't wish he would shut up. You might also have a problem with Kirkby, which is another matter. But this thread is about whether Kenwright will sell up.

Nothing anybody will say will change that.

Yes we've noticed that. You defend you position with "facts" (like the 100% ownership), and when it is pointed out that you are factually wrong your position doesn't move one inch. Soon, in another thread, you'll be saying that Kenwright is blocking a sale.

 

[Goat]

I believe that the reason Everton hasnt been sold is down solely to 1 man and 1 man only. Thats my stance and it shall remain untill I see something that shows me otherwise.

 

[StDomingosGringo]

*Gets out the popcorn*

 

[lordyefc]

Except that a new owner can't demand 100%, for the legal reasons explained above.

So there's two possibilities here: either these people wouldn't want to buy Everton (because they are likely to only get ~80% of the ownership), or they would be happy with a majority shareholding (which would, after all, allow them to run the club how they see fit). If the latter is true, buying Woods, Grantchester and Earl's shares would be enough.

But you want it both ways. You want buyers to exist, AND you want Kenwright to the the only reason holding them back.

I believe that the reason Everton hasnt been sold is down solely to 1 man and 1 man only. Thats my stance and it shall remain untill I see something that shows me otherwise.

Don't know what else to tell you.

 

[Goat]

Don't know what else to tell you.

Tell me that everything is gonna be alright. Tell me that you have been watching tapes of a player and you can see why David wants him. Tell me that we can believe what we read in the papers, that we are trying to buy Moutinho. Tell me to watch some space and fill my head full of storys of the boys pen and searching 24/7 for investment.

I wont believe you, but some people might.

 

[lordyefc]

Tell me that everything is gonna be alright. Tell me that you have been watching tapes of a player and you can see why David wants him. Tell me that we can believe what we read in the papers, that we are trying to buy Moutinho. Tell me to watch some space and fill my head full of storys of the boys pen and searching 24/7 for investment.

I wont believe you, but some people might.

OK, so you asked for someone to show you why the reason Everton hasn't been sold is "down solely to 1 man and 1 man only". I did that. You ignored it, and instead brought up the dumb things that Bill says.

To some people - cynicial, cynical people - that might look like somebody who will just ignore any facts put in front of them, but thinks that morally justifiable because they don't like the guy.

 

[Goat]

Before last Summer, he wasnt even on my radar. I thought he was the man who saved us from the evil RS Johnson. I didnt really know too much about "the board room", clearly I still know very little.

I never disliked him, I just didnt pay him too much attention. We had just come off the back of a great season. I waited for the players to come, the big name players. And I waited, I got worried, then Bill came on Sky Sports, he talked the talk. Great I thought, he wont let us down after that.

So I waited all Summer, we sold AJ. I thought, great, more money for Moyes. So then I waited some more. I waited untill the last day of the window and then we spunked £15m on Fellaini.

So I was shocked, why would our Chairman lie to us? So I did some digging and then I realise that the man cant help but lie.

So yeah, I dont like him and I think hes stopping us from getting takenover by SOMEBODY that will give Moyes some cash to spend.

I didnt wake up 1 morning and decide I didnt like him. If you looked back at some of my first posts, I think I defended him quite a lot. I stuck up for him.

I was blind but now I can see.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

So I was shocked, why would our Chairman lie to us?

I assume you mean over lack of transfers?

 

[Goat]

I assume you mean over lack of transfers?

Yes. Please tell me your not going to defend his "Watch this space" interview? There were no stand up in court lies, but it was littered with "promises".

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Yes. Please tell me your not going to defend his "Watch this space" interview? There were no stand up and court lies, but it was littered with "promises".

I've let my Everton players down by not strengthening the squad, says Moyes | Mail Online

Moyes: ‘It hasn’t been for the want of trying and I have to say the chairman, Bill Kenwright, has been fantastic. No-one has worked harder to get players in but it just hasn’t
happened yet. 'There are all sorts of reasons for it and some must remain private. But there aren’t many clubs looking to sell players at the moment, and certainly some people who have been brokering deals for us have let us down quite badly.’

So i'll give him the benefit of the doubt. I very much doubt he would say what he did if he knew full well there would be no signings imminent. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot. Hes a fan - a fan who got carried away, like we all do. Stupid comment yes, but for all we know, someone like Moutinho could have been imminent.

 

[Goat]

Yes I realise that some of the blame must fall at Moyes feet. Im not that blinkered to ignore that fact. But why would Moyes say he wants to sign 5-6 quality players, knowing he only has £15m to do that with? None of last Summer makes sense to me.

But Moyes cant do no wrong. Ive admitted lots of times, im very, very blinkered. I like people or I dont like them. Sometimes I change my mind, sometimes I dont.

Anyway, this has all been fun, but im off to bed, to dream of Mout in blue. Hopefully tomorrow we can discuss the merits of our latest signing.

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[GrandOldTeam]

Am not saying it was Moyes fault, I am saying Moyes acknowledged and praised Kenwright, while also saying 'There are all sorts of reasons for it and some must remain private. But there aren’t many clubs looking to sell players at the moment, and certainly some people who have been brokering deals for us have let us down quite badly.’

So to decide you hate Kenwright from last summer is a tad strange.

 

[linglong]

Imagine having money with the base we have got tho. Imagine being able to compete.

Money isnt everything, but it would certainly help us and trust me, it will help City.

And I stopped reading that 1st post at "If Kenwright is unqualified to run our club, then why is a rich Sheikh more acceptable? Would a moneybags owner shed blue tears when we lost to Chelsea? "

I want more from my Chairman than tears and soundbites.

I have to agree,i dont like BK never have and when he mutters anything i cringe i'm entrentched in my view of him and it wont change.

Like it or not,as i said last year Citys cash will improve them,Hughes is IMO buying well (if a little striker heavy atm) but they will get better i like the fact they didnt get rid of him after the ropey season they had under him,in short they're giving him the benefit of the doubt.

Now wether they become a top 5 club this year remains to be seen but that aside if we cant compete we will slip back from where we are now becuase,sadly its all about money in football now and the abilty to attract players of a decent calibre means you need dosh and lots of it,somethng we clearly dont have.

The answer is simple dont go anymore in debt than can be helped (we have enough already) and BK needs to look seriously at someone coming in and buying the club,by all means set high standards if thats the case but he's never even looked seriously imo becuase countless other clubs have been taken over in the last 5 years yet we stumble on giveing DM scraps to play with,just imagine what he could do if he had real cash to splash?

 

[TX Bill]

The "right" investor about sums it up.

 

[little curly alan ball]

Question ; What happens when the money fuks off and finds a new toy ???
What happens to the Youth system , our saviour over the past decade ?? What happens when you dont own your own ground or training ground and your side is full of mercenaries , when the dough departs ??? As Im sure it ultimately will .
Keep your dignity and belong to those youve always belonged to , and youll be OK . Even if that isnt joining the Euro-Super-Fukn-League .
Careful what you wish for .

All this is starting to turn my stomach now .