Everton in crisis? - Daily Mail Article

[Goat]

Sadly the rest of that pound goes on mismangement of debt.

 

[Neiler]

*sigh*

When is the clever half of the Neiler/Damon Financial Review Team back on here to go through this?

Come on Dave, thats like an oxymoron surely??

They are probably scouring the Villa website at the moment.

Ha ha yay friends!

Keep the insults coming lads - some bad modding on here lol!, your both all punched out and to be frank lately its been all to easy!

New blood required around here.

 

[Goat]

Mine was said with my tongue firmly in cheek, no need to take offence.

Just sayin.

 

[sirblue57]

I think you misread that quote to be honest mate, they said every 85p in the pound goes toward playing staff. Can this be disproven?

To be honest the second part of your post i highlighted, wouldnt be to far from the turth to be honest.

my problem is that in eleven years, little has been done to improve revenue streams, we just rely on sky and loans. simply not good enough.

 

[kenada_blue]

I think you misread that quote to be honest mate, they said every 85p in the pound goes toward playing staff. Can this be disproven?

To be honest the second part of your post i highlighted, wouldnt be to far from the turth to be honest.

Im not disproving anything.

Im saying, I believe we shouldnt really be in a position that every penny is stretched to its maximum to where the club is penned in. Reason being is that I feel the club has had plenty of chances to grow financially by a lot of means but never taken those chances.

We've both agreed that 1 season out the top 10 and that £2million loss on last year looks small change to what could happen. If attendences fall, season tickets drop etc...its a knife edge in running the club.

Forget about player transfers with this...its more of a case of we've never over stretched, yet we're a bad season away from a mini-crisis. We shouldnt be like that IMO.

To be fair, bite my head off, but I think we should be one of the clubs in the league that makes a profit based on the lack of transfers, wage bill etc...but we're not due to costs of keeping the club running and loan management.

 

[Neiler]

Im not disproving anything.

Im saying, I believe we shouldnt really be in a position that every penny is stretched to its maximum to where the club is penned in. Reason being is that I feel the club has had plenty of chances to grow financially by a lot of means but never taken those chances.

We've both agreed that 1 season out the top 10 and that £2million loss on last year looks small change to what could happen. If attendences fall, season tickets drop etc...its a knife edge in running the club.

Forget about player transfers with this...its more of a case of we've never over stretched, yet we're a bad season away from a mini-crisis. We shouldnt be like that IMO.

To be fair, bite my head off, but I think we should be one of the clubs in the league that makes a profit based on the lack of transfers, wage bill etc...but we're not due to costs of keeping the club running and loan management.

Thats interseting mate, what were the plenty of chances for the club to grow financialy that werent taken and how should they have been? Not being funny like just curious!

We're 30 odd million in the red mate, most of the players in the suqad we're bought by over stretching to be honest i.e. borrowing.

I agree if we go down - we will do a West Ham i.e need to sell almost our whole squad, but tbh it would be a disater for any established PL club tbh, which is why the likes of Leeds, Foorest etc have found it harder then the Yo yo clubs of this world. I dont think we are pratciularly uniuqe in that relgation would be devasting.

Cant argue with the bottom line mate, we do make a fair bit of money, could it be better definitely - hugely to make an impact prob not without a new ground, are we running at full tilt in terms of our costs absolutley.

 

[Seamus Colemole]

Ha ha so your predicting we are going to go out of buisness now mate, seriously im peeling away your crediability as we i go! What was the prob with annexe so?

Lets go Venky!

He clearly doesn't predict us going out of business in that post, it was simply a "if" scenario not "we will" but you twisted it that he did so you could then laugh at something he didn't actually say.

I'll let you off this one though, i actually like reading your views on our finances compared to Dave and the others.

 

[kenada_blue]

Thats interseting mate, what were the plenty of chances for the club to grow financialy that werent taken and how should they have been? Not being funny like just curious!

We're 30 odd million in the red mate, most of the players in the suqad we're bought by over stretching to be honest i.e. borrowing.

I agree if we go down - we will do a West Ham i.e need to sell almost our whole squad, but tbh it would be a disater for any established PL club tbh, which is why the likes of Leeds, Foorest etc have found it harder then the Yo yo clubs of this world. I dont think we are pratciularly uniuqe in that relgation would be devasting.

Cant argue with the bottom line mate, we do make a fair bit of money, could it be better definitely - hugely to make an impact prob not without a new ground, are we running at full tilt in terms of our costs absolutley.

I've mentioned before -

On the back of finishing 4th in 04-05, then finishing 6th in 06/07, 5th in 07/08 and a Carling Cup Semi Final, 5th in 08/09 and a FA Cup final. All that to the minimal net spend of £2mill if that (or something stupid).

But all that's happened is with minor success comes higher operating costs and wage bills. The club have basically done enough to cover that aspect. Then there's a couple of transfers I've mentioned that could've been what I call a calculated risk. Landon Donovan for example in 09/10 was massive. Mr Soccer USA in an Everton shirt would've been HUGE for us.

But in the mix of that there's the hindrence of the loans from the banks, 2 failed stadium attempts, and no one interested in buying the club after the free advertising that was the FA Cup Final viewed by around 200million people world wide.

As for the players...selling player to buy players isnt why we're £30mill in the red. Their wages might, but not the actual acquisition. Unless Pip Green bought us Yak...lets start that up again hehe

 

[The Equaliser]

Wouldn't trust Kopite King with providing a non-partisan view of our current plight. It's really for the wider football audience as it doesn't tell us anything we don't already know.

 

[Goat]

I've mentioned before -

On the back of finishing 4th in 04-05, then finishing 6th in 06/07, 5th in 07/08 and a Carling Cup Semi Final, 5th in 08/09 and a FA Cup final. All that to the minimal net spend of £2mill if that (or something stupid).

But all that's happened is with minor success comes higher operating costs and wage bills. The club have basically done enough to cover that aspect. Then there's a couple of transfers I've mentioned that could've been what I call a calculated risk. Landon Donovan for example in 09/10 was massive. Mr Soccer USA in an Everton shirt would've been HUGE for us.

But in the mix of that there's the hindrence of the loans from the banks, 2 failed stadium attempts, and no one interested in buying the club after the free advertising that was the FA Cup Final viewed by around 200million people world wide.

As for the players...selling player to buy players isnt why we're £30mill in the red. Their wages might, but not the actual acquisition. Unless Pip Green bought us Yak...lets start that up again hehe

Ive been saying that for ages, there was a point, a point when we should have kicked on, yes, we could have done a Leeds, if we borrowed, but all we needed was a little 30m nest egg, maybe a frigging loan from 1 our vastly wealthy boardmembers and we could have made it, we could have gone from little plucky Everton to just plain old Everton again, but that windows shut now.

No European football, media outlets using the word crisis, bah, oh well, at least I got to see the new Wembley.

 

[davek]

I've mentioned before -

On the back of finishing 4th in 04-05, then finishing 6th in 06/07, 5th in 07/08 and a Carling Cup Semi Final, 5th in 08/09 and a FA Cup final. All that to the minimal net spend of £2mill if that (or something stupid).

But all that's happened is with minor success comes higher operating costs and wage bills. The club have basically done enough to cover that aspect. Then there's a couple of transfers I've mentioned that could've been what I call a calculated risk. Landon Donovan for example in 09/10 was massive. Mr Soccer USA in an Everton shirt would've been HUGE for us.

But in the mix of that there's the hindrence of the loans from the banks, 2 failed stadium attempts, and no one interested in buying the club after the free advertising that was the FA Cup Final viewed by around 200million people world wide.

As for the players...selling player to buy players isnt why we're £30mill in the red. Their wages might, but not the actual acquisition. Unless Pip Green bought us Yak...lets start that up again hehe

FFS lad, that's not good enough for Neiler. You need to demonstrate Bill hacked your mobile.

 

[Neiler]

FFS lad, that's not good enough for Neiler. You need to demonstrate Bill hacked your mobile.

Hes making some good points to be fair mate, you should try and cultivate the lad.

 

[kenada_blue]

Ive been saying that for ages, there was a point, a point when we should have kicked on, yes, we could have done a Leeds, if we borrowed, but all we needed was a little 30m nest egg, maybe a frigging loan from 1 our vastly wealthy boardmembers and we could have made it, we could have gone from little plucky Everton to just plain old Everton again, but that windows shut now.

No European football, media outlets using the word crisis, bah, oh well, at least I got to see the new Wembley.

Basically...yeah.

And not to wind you up...but in the 08-09 season when we had a bid of £11mill rejected for Joao Moutinho because we werent going to punt up a massive fee up front, sums up the "what could've been" to "what has become".

The lid is rated £40million and we've slipped to 7th in the league.

That could've been a punt worth taking if someone, somewhere, got some coin from ANYWHERE and trusted David Moyes to take us up a notch.

But it seemed scary thing for the board to do.

 

[davek]

Hes making some good points to be fair mate, you should try and cultivate the lad.

He's not having to try too hard either, that's because he's right.

 

[Matt Damon]

Who sold players to keep the costs down?

Dont bother saying Villa, they may have sold 2 players, but I will tell you now they will spend the money they got for them, 100%.

I'll take that bet - that they will only spend a proportion of that income and use the rest to attempt to address their gash finances.

THEY WILL NOT - SPEND ALL OF THAT PLAYER SALE INCOME.